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# current status of effort  
 
# current status of effort  
 
# need/schedule for future meetings
 
# need/schedule for future meetings
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=Minutes=
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Eugene
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no money for ped
 +
95% done on paper
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pre-brief for installation review has schedule
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resources at fsu for design
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two machine shops available at no cost
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simple design capabilities
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formal design capability may not be there
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 +
iteration of design on informal level OK: elton
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machine shop is building light guides
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hope to have a piece tomorrow
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 +
paul: draft of mou
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has expectations for fsu and jlab
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modeled on cmu mou
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 +
list of requirements
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  for schedule
 +
  devleo=p time of flight integration
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 +
  diagrams for scintillator
 +
  splitter, etc. etc.
 +
under ped, 95% done by now
 +
 +
construction:
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procurment scint light g.
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supplies, pmts, cables, etc.
 +
test everything
 +
assembly
 +
 +
620k allocation for construction
 +
 +
fiscal year 12 starts construction, cannot be pushed forward with stimulus money
 +
 +
scint width 6 cm
 +
funds transfered from upv tof for initial studies
 +
wider scint bought ? for study
 +
light guide design complicated, shields will not fit in straightforward arrangement
 +
1. bend left and right, current solution
 +
2. wider bar might also solve problem
 +
  might affect time resolution
 +
 +
for study, straight trapezoidal light guide, being produced now.
 +
problem with 2in thick uvt, elgin ran out
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iu proposed fish-tail
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iu studied with pmt on scint, fsu wants to study effect of light guide
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pmt to be used
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xp2020 in hand
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2x hama h10570 8 stage, h10534 10 stage
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photonis: xp20v0 8-stage version $800
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quotes from photonis $1610, tube only
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hamamatsu were $810 w/ bases, zener, mu metal shield at 100 or more
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photonis base $250 extra
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transient time spreads are comparable
 +
 +
beni: 780$ per tube, 200 tubes
 +
 +
$190k in budget for pmt, dividers shield
 +
 +
constant fraction depends on rate
 +
budget has adc and tdc: beni
 +
sasha 2 mHz worked fine
 +
 +
recycled pmt's? somov
 +
hera-b had hamamatsu pmt's for shaslik calorimeter
 +
babar holding on to their stuff
 +
 +
schedule has lots of manpower for assembly and testing during construction
 +
 +
113k$ for calibration system for tof alone
 +
 +
elton: things not fitting, makes sense to have straight light guides, scint which are displaced but slightly overlapping
 +
 +
1 inch thick counters
 +
 +
fsu study looked at width of total array
 +
particles remain in the diameter of the solenoid
 +
will try to review for info on angle of incidence
 +
 +
beni: overlap design will have trajectories that have small path length in scintilator
 +
 +
another meeting in two weeks
 +
 +
paul will contact mark with questions about mou's
 +
language on jlab will carry the ball on say, support stand
 +
 +
details need
 +
 +
21k$ for materials for support structure
 +
 +
meeting considered useful
 +
incorporate start counter

Revision as of 16:47, 2 April 2009

Location, Time

Thursday, April 2, 2009
2:45 pm EDT
CEBAF Center, Room F326/327
EVO: direct meeting link (we will try this first)
Conference Group: 800-377-8846, participant code: 39527048
ESNet: 8542553

Agenda

  1. 12 GeV Project schedule and GlueX time-of-flight
  2. mechanical engineering support
  3. current status of effort
  4. need/schedule for future meetings

Minutes

Eugene

no money for ped 95% done on paper pre-brief for installation review has schedule

resources at fsu for design two machine shops available at no cost simple design capabilities formal design capability may not be there

iteration of design on informal level OK: elton

machine shop is building light guides hope to have a piece tomorrow

paul: draft of mou has expectations for fsu and jlab modeled on cmu mou

list of requirements

 for schedule
 devleo=p time of flight integration
 diagrams for scintillator
 splitter, etc. etc.

under ped, 95% done by now

construction: procurment scint light g. supplies, pmts, cables, etc. test everything assembly

620k allocation for construction

fiscal year 12 starts construction, cannot be pushed forward with stimulus money

scint width 6 cm funds transfered from upv tof for initial studies wider scint bought ? for study light guide design complicated, shields will not fit in straightforward arrangement 1. bend left and right, current solution 2. wider bar might also solve problem

  might affect time resolution

for study, straight trapezoidal light guide, being produced now. problem with 2in thick uvt, elgin ran out iu proposed fish-tail iu studied with pmt on scint, fsu wants to study effect of light guide

pmt to be used xp2020 in hand 2x hama h10570 8 stage, h10534 10 stage photonis: xp20v0 8-stage version $800 quotes from photonis $1610, tube only hamamatsu were $810 w/ bases, zener, mu metal shield at 100 or more photonis base $250 extra transient time spreads are comparable

beni: 780$ per tube, 200 tubes

$190k in budget for pmt, dividers shield

constant fraction depends on rate budget has adc and tdc: beni sasha 2 mHz worked fine

recycled pmt's? somov hera-b had hamamatsu pmt's for shaslik calorimeter babar holding on to their stuff

schedule has lots of manpower for assembly and testing during construction

113k$ for calibration system for tof alone

elton: things not fitting, makes sense to have straight light guides, scint which are displaced but slightly overlapping

1 inch thick counters

fsu study looked at width of total array particles remain in the diameter of the solenoid will try to review for info on angle of incidence

beni: overlap design will have trajectories that have small path length in scintilator

another meeting in two weeks

paul will contact mark with questions about mou's language on jlab will carry the ball on say, support stand

details need

21k$ for materials for support structure

meeting considered useful incorporate start counter