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* Minutes from last meeting https://halldweb.jlab.org/wiki/index.php/October_19,_2022_FCAL_Insert_Installation_Meeting
 
* Minutes from last meeting https://halldweb.jlab.org/wiki/index.php/October_19,_2022_FCAL_Insert_Installation_Meeting
 
* Discuss Lead Glass and crystal module removal/install [https://halldweb.jlab.org/wiki/index.php/FCAL_Installation] - Sasha
 
* Discuss Lead Glass and crystal module removal/install [https://halldweb.jlab.org/wiki/index.php/FCAL_Installation] - Sasha
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* Manpower and task division [https://halldweb.jlab.org/wiki/index.php/FCAL_Installation] - Sasha
 
* Initial testing of modules before removal - Mark D.
 
* Initial testing of modules before removal - Mark D.
 
* Revisited removal of darkroom -  
 
* Revisited removal of darkroom -  
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** HV and LV cable length = 20 ft
 
** HV and LV cable length = 20 ft
 
** Signal cable length = 16 ft
 
** Signal cable length = 16 ft
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** Cable trays for Signal all going N-S under platform
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** HV and LV cables al come from underneath also
 
* Monitoring system discussion  
 
* Monitoring system discussion  
 
* Assembly in ESB
 
* Assembly in ESB
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== Minutes ==
 
== Minutes ==
* Reviewed minutes from previous meeting
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* Reviewed minutes from last meeting
* Sasha showed wiki page he started for FCAL2 installation
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* Looked at Sasha's installation wiki page
** gave 7 possible categories of condition of existing glass modules
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** Showed different possible damage to wrapping of existing lead glass modules
** Lead glass modules have aluminum towards glass
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** Is aluminum being stuck to module surface a performance issue (light yield)?
** Crystals have mylar towards crystal
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*** Really no way to test now
** Sasha estimates 40 minutes to rewrap a module with proper training
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*** Need to decide threshold for re-wrapping
** Need to determin qty or al mylar, silicone sheet and what else needs to be procured
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** Some inspection/labelling needed prior to unstacking of blocks
** Suggested students can do wrapping
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** Sasha proposed that him and Arshak inspect each module after removal to decide on action to be taken -
** Showed HV and current for each existing module
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** Mark and Malte need to be in loop for base and pmt changes
** maybe 2 people from Cuevas to help with unstacking and stacking
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*** Possibly test light yield on first 100
** Tech group will have availability during this time
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** Malte asked who unstacked the original modules from BNL and what were the issues
** Detector support group may have folks available to help
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** Looks like we will have about 500 good PMT spares
* Sasha needs more time for cable mapping - will make separate meeting
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** Sasha presented manpower requirements
* Mark Dalton presented status of existing modules in 4 categories
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*** would need 2 students for 30 weeks to re-wrap all old modules
** 187 original bases saturated
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*** Total 11 students for 3 months will be needed for project (Eugene to check budgets)
** 206 new bases saturated
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*** JLAB folks responsible for unstacking modules - Hall D Techs/DSG?
** 1018 new bases < 1790V
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*** Sasha/Arshak would train students to do module refurb
** 1309 original bases < 1790V
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*** Students would label and bundle cables
* Possibility to mark prior to removal
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*** JLAB tech staff handle structure, darkroom, cable trays, racks
* Maybe perform stress test on existing modules to see condition prior to removal
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*** JLAB electronics group handle crate installation and cabling possibly with help from DSG
* Maybe remove bad bases before unstacking - need to plug end so pmt does not fall out
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*** Students would handle moving existing cables to adjacent crates on north and south racks
* Have about 50 good spare pmts besides 400 that will not be used
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*** Need to get a final list of universities supplying students
* discussed pre-sorting as removing from stack vs. just toss them in a bin for sort later
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*** Maybe best to downgrade the hall from RAD worker 1 to Gert only
* Need to work out sorting procedure to determine required shelving
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** Sasha mentioned the need to re-strap some existing 25 micron brass strap crystal modules
* do we also wish to inspect from US side prior to unstacking to label cracked or brown ones?
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** Need to start developing procedures for all aspects of the project
* Chris S. ordered 1600 RG174 signal cables and connectors - 20 weeks - $83K
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** Need to define workstations needed - add to Sasha's table and develop a layout
* Have all external HV cables on connectors - they still need to be attached
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* Need to have electric power added to south side of FCAL platform
* Lengths are needed for all HV and LV cables inside dark room
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* Need to update strawman schedule with more detail including resources
* LV cables are ribbon cables inside dark room
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* Lead glass acrylic sheet same design as original - need to remake panes for new geometry
** No daisy chaining
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** Can we reduce to 3 wire instead of 10 to save space?
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* Monitoring Panel
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** fibers have about a 1" bending radius with 10% loss in signal
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** Leave clearance on side edges of Rohacell to allow fibers to come out and bend around US surface of outer monitoring panel
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** Outer plexiglass and rohacell can be held together using plastic push pins
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** Need to get details from Matt S. for outer LED attachments
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** discussed need for gasket on from brass face of each crystal to reduce possibility of cross talk
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** Sasha discussed changing to individual fibers for each crystal
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*** is this needed for calibration?
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*** what is the requirement for the monitoring system?
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*** continue with the current design
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*** Final decision needed by December
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*** Arshak doing more studies
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* Cable trays to be determined once cable configuration is defined
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== Action Items ==
 
== Action Items ==
* Set up separate meeting for Cable mapping and requirements - Tim
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* Develop required work stations needed and add to table - Sasha
* Continue to work on unstacking, categorizing and repair plan - Sasha, Mark D.?
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* Develop hall layout based on work stations - Tim/Stephanie
* Develop layout for patch panels - Stephanie/Chris S
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* Update Gant chart with more detail and resources - Scot/Tim
* Continue to develop current monitoring design - Stephanie/Arshak
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* Check to see if hall can be downgraded to a Radiologically Controlled area - Tim
* Work on cable tray layout - Tim/Stephanie
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* Start developing procedures - Sasha - Tim
* Provide lengths for HV and LV cables inside dark room - Tim/Stephanie
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* Determine what universities/students will be available - Sasha
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* Have electricians look at bringing power to new racks on south side - Tim
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* Determine if we have budget for students - Eugene
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* Design patch panels - Chris S./Stephanie

Latest revision as of 13:23, 3 November 2022

Meeting Time and Place

Wednesday November 02, 2022 10am At Jefferson Lab, Hall D Counting House and on Teams

Agenda

  • Minutes from last meeting https://halldweb.jlab.org/wiki/index.php/October_19,_2022_FCAL_Insert_Installation_Meeting
  • Discuss Lead Glass and crystal module removal/install [1] - Sasha
  • Manpower and task division [2] - Sasha
  • Initial testing of modules before removal - Mark D.
  • Revisited removal of darkroom -
    • All cables need to be removed from darkroom to be able to install new detector
    • Maybe able to crane frame off platform partially assemble
    • Rework for patch panels
  • Cable discussion fruitful
    • Option D to move cables from inner 400 cables to adjacent crate
    • Remove 2 crates and move to new racks
    • Abandon 200 cables
    • Patch panels worked out, 2 HV and 2 LV north and south side, 1 signal feedthrough plate downstream wall
    • HV and LV cable length = 20 ft
    • Signal cable length = 16 ft
    • Cable trays for Signal all going N-S under platform
    • HV and LV cables al come from underneath also
  • Monitoring system discussion
  • Assembly in ESB
  • Media:FCAL2_strawman_schedule.pdf
Both step.jpeg
JBweld cooling test.jpeg
Glass module steps.jpeg
Work platform.png
Work platform top.png
Work platform iso.png
Work platform bird.png

Minutes

  • Reviewed minutes from last meeting
  • Looked at Sasha's installation wiki page
    • Showed different possible damage to wrapping of existing lead glass modules
    • Is aluminum being stuck to module surface a performance issue (light yield)?
      • Really no way to test now
      • Need to decide threshold for re-wrapping
    • Some inspection/labelling needed prior to unstacking of blocks
    • Sasha proposed that him and Arshak inspect each module after removal to decide on action to be taken -
    • Mark and Malte need to be in loop for base and pmt changes
      • Possibly test light yield on first 100
    • Malte asked who unstacked the original modules from BNL and what were the issues
    • Looks like we will have about 500 good PMT spares
    • Sasha presented manpower requirements
      • would need 2 students for 30 weeks to re-wrap all old modules
      • Total 11 students for 3 months will be needed for project (Eugene to check budgets)
      • JLAB folks responsible for unstacking modules - Hall D Techs/DSG?
      • Sasha/Arshak would train students to do module refurb
      • Students would label and bundle cables
      • JLAB tech staff handle structure, darkroom, cable trays, racks
      • JLAB electronics group handle crate installation and cabling possibly with help from DSG
      • Students would handle moving existing cables to adjacent crates on north and south racks
      • Need to get a final list of universities supplying students
      • Maybe best to downgrade the hall from RAD worker 1 to Gert only
    • Sasha mentioned the need to re-strap some existing 25 micron brass strap crystal modules
    • Need to start developing procedures for all aspects of the project
    • Need to define workstations needed - add to Sasha's table and develop a layout
  • Need to have electric power added to south side of FCAL platform
  • Need to update strawman schedule with more detail including resources
  • Lead glass acrylic sheet same design as original - need to remake panes for new geometry

Action Items

  • Develop required work stations needed and add to table - Sasha
  • Develop hall layout based on work stations - Tim/Stephanie
  • Update Gant chart with more detail and resources - Scot/Tim
  • Check to see if hall can be downgraded to a Radiologically Controlled area - Tim
  • Start developing procedures - Sasha - Tim
  • Determine what universities/students will be available - Sasha
  • Have electricians look at bringing power to new racks on south side - Tim
  • Determine if we have budget for students - Eugene
  • Design patch panels - Chris S./Stephanie