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= Agenda =
 
= Agenda =
 
# Production [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/production/FDC_Construction_September_20_2012.xlsx Construction Tracking] (Dave)
 
# Production [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/production/FDC_Construction_September_20_2012.xlsx Construction Tracking] (Dave)
# Cathode corrosion
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# Cathode corrosion (Lubomir, Vlad)
 
#* Cathode protection tests  
 
#* Cathode protection tests  
 
#* Recent SEM results [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/VitonB-x1K-area2_q00.jpg], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/VitonB-x1K-area2.bmp], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/VitonB-x10K-area2-part1_q00.jpg], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/VitonB-x1K-area2-part1.bmp]
 
#* Recent SEM results [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/VitonB-x1K-area2_q00.jpg], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/VitonB-x1K-area2.bmp], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/VitonB-x10K-area2-part1_q00.jpg], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/VitonB-x1K-area2-part1.bmp]
 
# Engineering (Bill)
 
# Engineering (Bill)
 
# Electronics (Chris, Nick)
 
# Electronics (Chris, Nick)
# Third package tests [https://halldweb1.jlab.org/elog-halld/FDC FDC E-log] (Beni)
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# Third package tests [https://halldweb.jlab.org/elog-halld/FDC FDC E-log] (Beni, Lubomir)
 
# [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/general/tdr.pdf TDR, pages 132-143] (Lubomir)
 
# [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/general/tdr.pdf TDR, pages 132-143] (Lubomir)
 
# Other
 
# Other
 
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= Minutes =
 
= Minutes =
  
Participants: Eugene, Bill, Dave, Simon, Chris, Vlad, Beni, and Lubomir
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Participants: Bill, Dave, Glenn, Chris, Nick, Vlad, Simon, Beni, Eugene, and Lubomir
  
 
== Production ==
 
== Production ==
  
- Dave: 7 cathodes ready, another 5 need daughter cards to be glued. Will have 200 new cards (Lubomir) beginning of next month, we better use them for the rest of the cathodes; so far we have 3 cathodes with refurbished daughter cards.  One new wire frame (#29) is ready for stringing, Anatoly just put HV caps and tested it. Adam (Vision Machine) will bring one g10 wire frame next Wednesday and another three on Friday. After Rohacell lamination Adam will fly cut them and we will have the first frame for the PCB lamination next Friday. Bill: Adam will need our de-humidifier.  
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- Dave: we started working on two new cathodes, #72 and #73, using the last two sets of foils (new foils are coming November/December). Casey and Tina finished stringing today the new wire frame #29. There is a small delay with the new g10 wire frames (Vision Machine didn't have the vacuum pump), but they promised to have the first frame by Monday.  
  
- Lubomir: we may try to fix the wire frames #27 and #28 that are drawing high current. Suspect the via of the HV trace that connects the bottom trace just against the Rohacell. If this is the problem, can be fixed by drilling a hole from the back side. Bill agreed and we will try it next month when we will have time.
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- The first three cells of package #1 were assembled Monday-Tuesday using the standard Viton+Apiezon technique. Since then it's being flushed with gas. Oxygen goes down very fast, now it's about 1000ppm and expect it to be ~300ppm tomorrow so Vlad will start testing the package.
  
 
== Cathode corrosion ==
 
== Cathode corrosion ==
  
- On Monday we started a test with a cathode (the demo one) using two techniques to protect the copper from corrosion: one side lightly coated with Hysol, the other with Kapton films sitting on Apiezon. We installed this cathode in a cell with Viton+Apiezon and started flushing with gas at 200ccpm (to have enough flow through the oxygen sensor). Some leakage was found (< 10^-4) at the Kapton side but that pressure inside is very high due to the higher flow rate per cell. Interestingly leakages were found at the two transition regions between the Kapton and Hysol areas, probably the Hysol layer is thicker than the Kapton film. Importantly, the oxygen went down to 180ppm in three days.
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- We tried several techniques for covering the cathodes but all they had some problems:
  
- We will wait till Monday to see the final oxygen percentage and will open the test package. If everything is OK we want to use the Hysol technique for the first half of the first package. Bill wanted to know if Dave is happy with the Hysol coating, then they discussed how to improve the flatness of the Hysol layer. In any case we will practice more before working on the production cathodes. Bill also proposed to use conformal coating instead of Hysol, but Eugene and Lubomir didn't agree since it introduces new material and there are complains from drift chamber groups about possible out-gassing. Even we have some parts of the PCBs coated inside the gas volume and we try to find the same material, we still need to do long tests
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# Kapton film + Hysol: many wrinkles, bubbles. Bill said he could do this using vacuum bagging, but should be done before the foils are stretched on the frame.
before we are sure it will not harm the chamber. As for the other technique, using Apiezon on big areas it's messy and not possible to clean, it may start leaking at higher temperature when chamber is in vertical position?
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# Kapton film + Apiezon: the O-ring made a channel into the grease and the surface outside of that channel was elevated due to the grease covered with the film. The O-ring compression was low, several leaks were found especially between the films. Still the oxygen went down to 75ppm for a cell with a cathode half covered with this method.
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# Hysol only: the epoxy layer that was applied was too thin (<0.5mil) so that it doesn't protect the copper efficiently. That was tested in the vacuum chamber were we saw copper discoloration with the Vition+Apiezon+Hysol sample similar to the sample without Hysol. It will be difficult to apply thicker Hysol layer evenly. The oxygen went down to 75ppm (combined test with the above method).
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# Kapton tape with acrylic adhesive: Hera-B outer tracker had Molter effect and studied all the materials. The SCOTCH 467MP tape that they used showed out-gassing.  
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- Latest pictures from the SEM analyses are linked above. They correspond to a Viton+Apizon sample with the right pressure (using spacer ring) inside the vacuum chamber filled with gas. The above pictures/spectral analyses correspond to the dark area at one side of the O-ring. With 1K magnification only copper and carbon are seen and some small traces of sulfur. When focusing on the small white particle from the first picture, one sees much more sulfur. The conclusion could be that with Viton we have significantly less sulfur which is not enough to destroy the copper surface as this is the case with EPDM. It can just create tiny holes through the copper that we have seen before using HIREX microscope with back-light. Based on this and on the failure of the above methods (so far) we decided to use the standard Viton+Apiezon method. In principle one could improve the above technologies and do more tests, but it will take significant efforts and time without being sure about their success.
  
- Vlad started a new test in the vacuum chamber now adding a sample with Viton+Apiezon against cathode foil that was coated with Hysol. The chamber will stay at very high temperature (close to 100deg C) and 100% humidity till Monday.
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- Vlad will continue with the corrosion tests in the vacuum chamber at several high temperatures so that we can extrapolate the results to room temperatures.
  
 
== Engineering ==
 
== Engineering ==
  
- Bill answering Eugene's questions: the three carts that will support FDC, CDC and the FDC cables will be ready in a couple of weeks. The fiducials will be glued to the gusset ring and then surveyed w.r.t. wire planes and the cart at Blue Crab. Another survey will be done when the cart is at the platform and another one of the optical targets at the front and back of the FDC when the detector is installed. Bill will estimate the man-weeks for the surveys.
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- Bill: soon will start working on the cooling cart. He explained the FDC fiducial scheme and the survey procedures. There will be four targets on each package visible from the front/back even when the detector is installed  and cabled. There will be a survey at Blue Crab of the packages as they are mounted on the cart, and also of the strong-back at the stringing table w.r.t the pins. The second survey will be done at the platform and the third one when the detector is installed.
  
- When there's time in the next two months, Dave will start working on the cooling system of the third package in 126. Bill will make sure we have all the parts and tools.
 
 
 
== Electronics ==
 
== Electronics ==
  
- Nick: by next Wednesday we will have another set of PCBs populated. We will start testing the LV system, Beni needs two LV cables for the two fADC125 he's planing to use in the DAQ.
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- Nick and Chris populated one more PCB set to be used for wire frame #30. Nick gave Beni a LV module with distribution cards and cables enough for one package. The voltage at the LV source should be 6V to have at least 3V on each card (Nick). Eugene: one should measure the actual voltages at the cards and check if they will work when you remove one, two, or three pre-amps on the same cable.
  
 
== Third package tests ==
 
== Third package tests ==
  
- Beni and Cody did tests with another VME (not VXS) crate and found the same problems with the fADC. They also found that when you put the fADC with an extension card at the last slot that doesn't work (#12), i.e. increasing the length of the VME bus, it worked better; so it's a matter of signal propagation in the bus. Next they will try to lower the fADC frequency from 80 to 40MHz.
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- Lubomir showed pictures (entry 79 in FDC ELOG) from fADC125 to which one wire, one top strip and one down strip cards are connected, each 24 channels with same color on the plots. Shown is a "typical" event with one wire channel (blue) and several top (red) and bottom (green) strips fired. The second picture shows the noise on the strips, < 200 fADC units which is ~15mV, and much less on the wires.
 
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== TDR ==
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- We are almost ready with the draft version of the TDR. Some numbers remain to be checked, Bill will help also with the main parameters of the cooling system and with one picture of the FDC cell. We discussed if the cooling system for all the detectors should be covered in a separate section. As for the FDC and CDC gas system, certainly it's worth having a separate section. Latest TDR version is linked above.
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- Beni showed (entry 78) results for the strip resolution perpendicular to the wire, by reconstructing the position of one wire, which is about ~400 microns that corresponds to the resolution along the wire of ~100 microns. Lubomir has done similar studies (entry 77) but using different charge integration on the strips and also for all the wires. The resolutions vary with the HV and are similar to the results with the full scale prototype. The main conclusion is that one can get resolutions below 150 microns.
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== TDR ==
  
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- We are done with the draft TDR. Lubomir needs some numbers and re-formating of one picture from Bill. Eugene: maybe we should include some of the latest results and also explaining the algorithm used for the fADC data.

Latest revision as of 03:23, 1 April 2015

September 20, 2012 FDC meeting

Agenda

  1. Production Construction Tracking (Dave)
  2. Cathode corrosion (Lubomir, Vlad)
    • Cathode protection tests
    • Recent SEM results [1], [2], [3], [4]
  3. Engineering (Bill)
  4. Electronics (Chris, Nick)
  5. Third package tests FDC E-log (Beni, Lubomir)
  6. TDR, pages 132-143 (Lubomir)
  7. Other

Minutes

Participants: Bill, Dave, Glenn, Chris, Nick, Vlad, Simon, Beni, Eugene, and Lubomir

Production

- Dave: we started working on two new cathodes, #72 and #73, using the last two sets of foils (new foils are coming November/December). Casey and Tina finished stringing today the new wire frame #29. There is a small delay with the new g10 wire frames (Vision Machine didn't have the vacuum pump), but they promised to have the first frame by Monday.

- The first three cells of package #1 were assembled Monday-Tuesday using the standard Viton+Apiezon technique. Since then it's being flushed with gas. Oxygen goes down very fast, now it's about 1000ppm and expect it to be ~300ppm tomorrow so Vlad will start testing the package.

Cathode corrosion

- We tried several techniques for covering the cathodes but all they had some problems:

  1. Kapton film + Hysol: many wrinkles, bubbles. Bill said he could do this using vacuum bagging, but should be done before the foils are stretched on the frame.
  2. Kapton film + Apiezon: the O-ring made a channel into the grease and the surface outside of that channel was elevated due to the grease covered with the film. The O-ring compression was low, several leaks were found especially between the films. Still the oxygen went down to 75ppm for a cell with a cathode half covered with this method.
  3. Hysol only: the epoxy layer that was applied was too thin (<0.5mil) so that it doesn't protect the copper efficiently. That was tested in the vacuum chamber were we saw copper discoloration with the Vition+Apiezon+Hysol sample similar to the sample without Hysol. It will be difficult to apply thicker Hysol layer evenly. The oxygen went down to 75ppm (combined test with the above method).
  4. Kapton tape with acrylic adhesive: Hera-B outer tracker had Molter effect and studied all the materials. The SCOTCH 467MP tape that they used showed out-gassing.

- Latest pictures from the SEM analyses are linked above. They correspond to a Viton+Apizon sample with the right pressure (using spacer ring) inside the vacuum chamber filled with gas. The above pictures/spectral analyses correspond to the dark area at one side of the O-ring. With 1K magnification only copper and carbon are seen and some small traces of sulfur. When focusing on the small white particle from the first picture, one sees much more sulfur. The conclusion could be that with Viton we have significantly less sulfur which is not enough to destroy the copper surface as this is the case with EPDM. It can just create tiny holes through the copper that we have seen before using HIREX microscope with back-light. Based on this and on the failure of the above methods (so far) we decided to use the standard Viton+Apiezon method. In principle one could improve the above technologies and do more tests, but it will take significant efforts and time without being sure about their success.

- Vlad will continue with the corrosion tests in the vacuum chamber at several high temperatures so that we can extrapolate the results to room temperatures.

Engineering

- Bill: soon will start working on the cooling cart. He explained the FDC fiducial scheme and the survey procedures. There will be four targets on each package visible from the front/back even when the detector is installed and cabled. There will be a survey at Blue Crab of the packages as they are mounted on the cart, and also of the strong-back at the stringing table w.r.t the pins. The second survey will be done at the platform and the third one when the detector is installed.

Electronics

- Nick and Chris populated one more PCB set to be used for wire frame #30. Nick gave Beni a LV module with distribution cards and cables enough for one package. The voltage at the LV source should be 6V to have at least 3V on each card (Nick). Eugene: one should measure the actual voltages at the cards and check if they will work when you remove one, two, or three pre-amps on the same cable.

Third package tests

- Lubomir showed pictures (entry 79 in FDC ELOG) from fADC125 to which one wire, one top strip and one down strip cards are connected, each 24 channels with same color on the plots. Shown is a "typical" event with one wire channel (blue) and several top (red) and bottom (green) strips fired. The second picture shows the noise on the strips, < 200 fADC units which is ~15mV, and much less on the wires.

- Beni showed (entry 78) results for the strip resolution perpendicular to the wire, by reconstructing the position of one wire, which is about ~400 microns that corresponds to the resolution along the wire of ~100 microns. Lubomir has done similar studies (entry 77) but using different charge integration on the strips and also for all the wires. The resolutions vary with the HV and are similar to the results with the full scale prototype. The main conclusion is that one can get resolutions below 150 microns.

TDR

- We are done with the draft TDR. Lubomir needs some numbers and re-formating of one picture from Bill. Eugene: maybe we should include some of the latest results and also explaining the algorithm used for the fADC data.