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# Kapton film + Hysol: many wrinkles, bubbles. Bill said he could do this using vacuum bagging, but should be done before the foils are stretched on the frame.   
 
# Kapton film + Hysol: many wrinkles, bubbles. Bill said he could do this using vacuum bagging, but should be done before the foils are stretched on the frame.   
 
# Kapton film + Apiezon: the O-ring made a channel into the grease and the surface outside of that channel was elevated due to the grease covered with the film. The O-ring compression was low, several leaks were found especially between the films. Still the oxygen went down to 75ppm for a cell with a cathode half covered with this method.
 
# Kapton film + Apiezon: the O-ring made a channel into the grease and the surface outside of that channel was elevated due to the grease covered with the film. The O-ring compression was low, several leaks were found especially between the films. Still the oxygen went down to 75ppm for a cell with a cathode half covered with this method.
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# Hysol only: the epoxy layer that was applied was too thin (~0.5mil) so that it doesn't protect the copper efficiently. That was tested in the vacuum chamber were we saw copper discoloration with the Vition+Apiezon+Hysol sample similar to the sample without Hysol.
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# Hysol only: the epoxy layer that was applied was too thin (~0.5mil) so that it doesn't protect the copper efficiently. That was tested in the vacuum chamber were we saw copper discoloration with the Vition+Apiezon+Hysol sample similar to the sample without Hysol. It will be difficult to apply thicker Hysol layer evenly. 
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# Kapton tape with acrylic adhesive: Hera-B outer tracker had Molter effect and studied all the materials. The SCOTCH 467MP tape that they used showed out-gassing.
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- Latest pictures from the SEM analyses are linked above. They correspond to the Viton+Apizon sample with the right pressure (using spacer ring) inside the vacuum chamber filled with gas. The above pictures/spectral analyses correspond to the dark area at one side of the O-ring. With 1K magnification only copper and carbon are seen and some small traces of sulfur. When focusing on the small white particles from the first picture, one sees that it has sulfur. The conclusion could be with Viton we have significantly less sulfur which is not enough to destroy the copper surface as this is the case with EPDM. It can just create tiny holes through the copper that we have seen before using HIREX microscope with back-light. Based on this and on the failure of the above methods (so far) we decided to use the standard Viton+Apiezon method. In principle one could improve the above technologies and do more tests, but it will take significant efforts and time without being sure about their success.
  
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- Bill answering Eugene's questions: the three carts that will support FDC, CDC and the FDC cables will be ready in a couple of weeks. The fiducials will be glued to the gusset ring and then surveyed w.r.t. wire planes and the cart at Blue Crab. Another survey will be done when the cart is at the platform and another one of the optical targets at the front and back of the FDC when the detector is installed. Bill will estimate the man-weeks for the surveys.
 
- Bill answering Eugene's questions: the three carts that will support FDC, CDC and the FDC cables will be ready in a couple of weeks. The fiducials will be glued to the gusset ring and then surveyed w.r.t. wire planes and the cart at Blue Crab. Another survey will be done when the cart is at the platform and another one of the optical targets at the front and back of the FDC when the detector is installed. Bill will estimate the man-weeks for the surveys.

Revision as of 17:43, 20 September 2012

September 20, 2012 FDC meeting

Agenda

  1. Production Construction Tracking (Dave)
  2. Cathode corrosion (Lubomir, Vlad)
    • Cathode protection tests
    • Recent SEM results [1], [2], [3], [4]
  3. Engineering (Bill)
  4. Electronics (Chris, Nick)
  5. Third package tests FDC E-log (Beni, Lubomir)
  6. TDR, pages 132-143 (Lubomir)
  7. Other

Minutes

Participants: Bill, Dave, Glenn, Chris, Nick, Vlad, Simon, Beni, Eugene, and Lubomir

Production

- Dave: we started working on two new cathodes, #72 and #73, using the last two sets of foils (new foils are coming November/December). Casey and Tina finished stringing today the new wire frame #29. There was a small delay with the new g10 wire frames (Vision Machine didn't have the vacuum pump), but they promised to have the first frame by Monday.

- The first three cells of package #1 were assembled Monday-Tuesday using the standard Viton+Apiezon technique. Since then it's being flushed with gas. Oxygen goes down very fast, now it's about 1000ppm and expect it to be ~300ppm tomorrow so Vlad will start testing the package.

Cathode corrosion

- We tried several techniques for covering the cathodes but all they had some problems:

  1. Kapton film + Hysol: many wrinkles, bubbles. Bill said he could do this using vacuum bagging, but should be done before the foils are stretched on the frame.
  2. Kapton film + Apiezon: the O-ring made a channel into the grease and the surface outside of that channel was elevated due to the grease covered with the film. The O-ring compression was low, several leaks were found especially between the films. Still the oxygen went down to 75ppm for a cell with a cathode half covered with this method.
  3. Hysol only: the epoxy layer that was applied was too thin (~0.5mil) so that it doesn't protect the copper efficiently. That was tested in the vacuum chamber were we saw copper discoloration with the Vition+Apiezon+Hysol sample similar to the sample without Hysol. It will be difficult to apply thicker Hysol layer evenly.
  4. Kapton tape with acrylic adhesive: Hera-B outer tracker had Molter effect and studied all the materials. The SCOTCH 467MP tape that they used showed out-gassing.

- Latest pictures from the SEM analyses are linked above. They correspond to the Viton+Apizon sample with the right pressure (using spacer ring) inside the vacuum chamber filled with gas. The above pictures/spectral analyses correspond to the dark area at one side of the O-ring. With 1K magnification only copper and carbon are seen and some small traces of sulfur. When focusing on the small white particles from the first picture, one sees that it has sulfur. The conclusion could be with Viton we have significantly less sulfur which is not enough to destroy the copper surface as this is the case with EPDM. It can just create tiny holes through the copper that we have seen before using HIREX microscope with back-light. Based on this and on the failure of the above methods (so far) we decided to use the standard Viton+Apiezon method. In principle one could improve the above technologies and do more tests, but it will take significant efforts and time without being sure about their success.

Engineering

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