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== Cathode corrosion ==
 
== Cathode corrosion ==
  
- Lubomir: a test with cathode foils, Viton/EPDM O-rings and water was done (at Blue Crab dirty area). First, the O-ring samples were pressed against the foils with a lead brick, also using G10 and aluminum plates to equalize the pressure. After a couple of days, water (from the tab) was put on the samples. Corrosion appeared immediately on the next day: very well pronounced on the EPDM sample and resembling the same dark traces that we had on the cathodes of the first and second packages (see first picture above), also some corrosion but with lighter color on the Viton sample. Olga did SEM analyses on the two sample foils at the places of the O-rings: second link above. Generally the experiment was not done in a clean environment and tab water was used, so you see a lot of dirty  stuff like chlorine. At the same time sulfur is visible in almost all the areas of the EPDM sample, while for the Viton sample it's present in much smaller areas visible with high magnification. We started the same experiment inside the clean room using distilled water; expect results next week.   
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- Lubomir: a test with cathode foils, Viton/EPDM O-rings and water was done (at Blue Crab dirty area). First, the O-ring samples were pressed against the foils with a lead brick, also using G10 and aluminum plates to equalize the pressure. After a couple of days, water (from the tab) was put on the samples. Corrosion appeared immediately on the next day: very well pronounced on the EPDM sample and resembling the same dark traces that we had on the cathodes of the first and second packages (see first picture above), also some corrosion but with lighter color on the Viton sample. Olga did SEM analyses on the two sample foils at the places of the O-rings: second link above. Generally, the experiment was not done in a clean environment and tab water was used, so you see a lot of dirty  stuff like chlorine. At the same time sulfur is visible in almost all the areas of the EPDM sample, while for the Viton sample sulfur is present in much smaller areas visible with high magnification. We started the same experiment inside the clean room using distilled water; expect results next week.   
  
- Vlad (also with the help of his dad who's chemist) studied the literature about the copper corrosion. Normally as a first step copper reacts with watter (moisture) CO2 and O2 forming hydrides of Cu2O (copper oxide) that has redish color (Cu2O is good conductor). On the next step due to again water and sulfur (or chlorine) copper salts are formed like CuSO4, CuS and CuO (copper monoxides, mono-sulfides) having black/gray color what we are actually seeing, which are moderate conductors. Especially hydrogen sulfide is dangerous, we can identify it with lead acetate paper that we have ordered. Important is also that carbon serves as catalyst. We see that the EPDM O-ring leaves carbon traces very easily just by pressing it against the copper foil.
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- Three other test experiments are running. One with production cathodes and a wire frame that started more than two weeks ago. Second one with the small-scale prototype 
 
   
 
   
 
- Three testing chambers are being considered: one with production wire frame and cathodes is running under HV for more than a week, it has both EPDM and Viton O-rings inside. Second test is with the small-scale prototype, that will have similar materials inside as explained in the document above: same EPDM, Viton, same wires (deadened already), Epon epoxy. Tomorrow we will have all the O-rings needed and will start that test, as well. Vlad proposed another test using a vacuum chamber (that didn't work to remove the bubbles from the epoxy) and his scheme is linked above. The idea is to increase the temperature (with a lamp) by 10-20degC resulting in 3-6 times speeding up of the corrosion. We will also increase the humidity inside the chamber. The test will be done without HV so far. Also we have a simple test outside of the clean room: we just sandwiched EPDM/Vition O-rings with copper foil between two g10 plates under the weight of one lead brick. After putting in addition some tab water, corrosion spots appeared especially on the EPDM sample.
 
- Three testing chambers are being considered: one with production wire frame and cathodes is running under HV for more than a week, it has both EPDM and Viton O-rings inside. Second test is with the small-scale prototype, that will have similar materials inside as explained in the document above: same EPDM, Viton, same wires (deadened already), Epon epoxy. Tomorrow we will have all the O-rings needed and will start that test, as well. Vlad proposed another test using a vacuum chamber (that didn't work to remove the bubbles from the epoxy) and his scheme is linked above. The idea is to increase the temperature (with a lamp) by 10-20degC resulting in 3-6 times speeding up of the corrosion. We will also increase the humidity inside the chamber. The test will be done without HV so far. Also we have a simple test outside of the clean room: we just sandwiched EPDM/Vition O-rings with copper foil between two g10 plates under the weight of one lead brick. After putting in addition some tab water, corrosion spots appeared especially on the EPDM sample.

Revision as of 17:42, 9 August 2012

August 9, 2012 FDC meeting

Agenda

  1. Cathode corrosion
  2. Production Construction Tracking (Dave)
    • Cathode production
    • Fixing cathodes
    • Second package refurbishment
  3. Engineering (Bill)
  4. Electronics (Chris, Nick)
  5. TDR, page 132-145 (Lubomir)
  6. Other

Minutes

Participants: Bill, Dave, Chris, Nick, Vlad, Eugene, and Lubomir