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# CDC status (Mike, Beni)
 
# CDC status (Mike, Beni)
 
#* [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/CDC/noise/test4 noise studies]
 
#* [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/CDC/noise/test4 noise studies]
# FDC status (Lubomir)
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# FDC status [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/DAQ/FDC_inter_cluster_tracking.pdf interaction event reconstructed with cluster timing algorithm](Lubomir)
 
# Electronics (Chris, Nick)
 
# Electronics (Chris, Nick)
# Engineering  
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# Engineering (Bill)
#* Chiller  
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#* Chiller
#* Cathode scan (Luke)
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#* Cathode scan [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/calibration/DeltaP_3m.pdf] (Luke)
# Commissioning/calibration discussions (all)
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# Commissioning [https://halldweb.jlab.org/hdops/wiki/index.php/Hall_D_Commissioning Wiki Page] (all)
 
# Other
 
# Other
  
[https://halldweb1.jlab.org/wiki/index.php/Connect_to_Bluejeans_Meetings Instructions for Bluejeans meeting connection]
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[https://halldweb.jlab.org/wiki/index.php/Connect_to_Bluejeans_Meetings Instructions for Bluejeans meeting connection]
  
 
FDC meeting ID: 290664653
 
FDC meeting ID: 290664653
 
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= Minutes =
 
= Minutes =
  
Participants: Sean (NU), Curtis (CMU), Eugene, Luke, Mike, Sergey, Dave, Chris, Nick, Simon, Beni, and Lubomir (JLab).
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Participants: Sean (NU), Bill, Luke, Mike, Chris, Nick, Simon, Beni, Eugene, and Lubomir (JLab).
  
 
== DAQ ==
 
== DAQ ==
  
- Beni showed several results, explained in the logbook linked above. There are some fADC channels that don't report valid data (log entry 3290451). There's one module (ROCFDC3 slot 4) that was OK at the beginning of the run but at some point (after ~1k events) started reporting this problem for all of the channels.
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- Beni: the synchronized run (CDC +BCAL) didn't work over the weekend. Something is wrong with the data, as if the the signals were not in the time window. Still, the DAQ was running over the weekend without crushing. Will try it again this weekend.  
  
- Typical CDC and FDC signals (from fADC) are shown in entry 3290447. The noise in the CDC is a factor of 2 higher than in the FDC (entries 3290447 and 3290445), also interestingly the frequency of the correlated noise in the CDC is a factor of 2 bigger. Lubomir: the CDC boards have 1/2 divider of the input signal, in contrast to the FDC. Would be interesting to check the noise without these resistors using also an FDC pre-amp.
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== CDC update ==
  
- Beni found that there's some instability of the pedestals (3290411). For some of the channels there's even oscillation (3290403) with a period of about one hour.  
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- Beni: the noise was studied with modified HVB in which the resistors, that reduce the signal by 1/2, were removed. As result, both the noise and the signals increased by factor of 2. Beni will try also with the FDC pre-amp.
  
- The plan is to have a synchronized (CDC&FDC + BCAL) run over the weekend.
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- Beni and Mike tried to improve the ground using: grounding braid connected to one HVB, Al foil covering the whole magnet opening. No improvements so far, but maybe one has to ground many more HVBs before you see any effect (Beni). More discussions about the noise: what is the resistivity of the CDC aluminum ring and was it anodized, what kind of grounding straps can be attached and how.
  
== CDC update ==
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== FDC update ==
  
- Mike showed his studies of the noise (linked above). The burst noise (200kHz burst with 25MHz noise) disappears when turning off the HV of all/most of the channels. The other (white) noise doesn't depend on the HV. Mike showed possible sources of noise with a clock closer to 25MHz. For the FDC noise within the bursts is 12.5MHz.
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- Lubomir was improving the tracking: significant advantage if one uses the timing of each ionization cluster (the positions of the maximums in the fADC data). The time of each cluster should be the same for the upper, down strips and the wires. This allows to reconstruct multiple hits (ionization clusters) on the same wire or strip and separate tracks very close to each other, as demonstrated on the attached plot (shown are avalanche positions, no drift time correction yet).
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== Electronics ==
  
- Noise discussions - Eugene: you should try with the cell repeater turned off. Beni: install some kind  of copper mesh to shield the whole front of the CDC; the old FDC cathodes can be used for that? Sergey: try to shield the pre-amps with a box around them; some kind of pre-amp shield was already tried.
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- Casey installed almost all CDC retainers (the retainer keeps the connector to the pre-amp in place).  
 
   
 
   
== FDC update ==
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== Engineering ==
  
- Lubomir: pictures attached show how the track through all the chambers was fitted: first using only cathodes fitting the avalanche positions (first plot). The residuals vs drift time (converted to distance) are correlated (second plot). Applying drift time corrections with already known (from the first fit) direction results in a line fit with chi^2/21 = 17/21 assuming 1mm error. If exclude the points for which the hits are very close to the wires, or at the edge of the cell, we get chi^2/14 = 6/14 which means resolution is about 650 microns.
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- Bill: the compressor will come today and will be replaced tomorrow. The chiller failed last Saturday due to compressor overheating, on Monday technicians from facilities found that the compressor has to be replaced. Bill: the most important question is why it failed and do we need spare chiller or parts for the long run. Eugene: during runs we don't want to wait a week for the chiller to be repaired. Let's first see if this failure was an exception, but in any case having a spare compressor (~$1k) will not be a problem.  
  
== Electronics ==
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- Bill: the water flow/quality is a suspect; rust found in the water filter. Therefore a flow meter for the chilled water was installed and Dave should be able to read it. According to Tom, we are going to change the water filters every month. Eugene: we may need better (centralized) filtering system. Bill asked Carroll Jones if the water quality can be improved.
  
- Chris and Nick worked on the bad 3M connectors. They opened and fixed several of them both CDC and FDC. The problem was that some signal wires were touching the shielding which is floating if not connected to the module. That's why we could see good signals with scope but not with the modules. Not all of the suspected 3M connectors were opened, only those that had wire to shield connectivity as checked with the tester.  
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- Luke did already measurements in three positions and is working now on the fourth. The averaged (over 8 strips) pitch values as function of their positions are shown on the 2D plot. They vary between 5.009 and 5.014 mm (color coded). Eugene: to describe this with a model there are central regions for each foil you can consider flat, and dips in between where the Kapton tape is glued.
  
- Retainer for the CDC pre-amps was designed and the parts ordered.
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== Commissioning == 
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== Cathode scan ==
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- The estimates are that at 10^-4 R.L. radiator and 50nA electron beam we will have 180Hz charged particle from 2mm plastic target. The fraction that goes on the FDC has to be simulated, but if we assume 20Hz charged particles on the FDC, we will need about 2 beam-on-target days to have ~3M events. Based on the experience with the package 3 this will be enough for the alignment in one configuration, so in total 4 days (magnet on/off). The target has to be placed as far as possible which is at ~4m upstream from the face of the CDC, at the exit of the vacuum pipe there.  
  
- Luke did a second set of measurements in the middle of the cathode. First measurement was at ~13.5cm from the middle. The deviations from the nominal position, assuming a pitch of 5mm+12microns, are linked above for the two measurements. One can see relatively flat first foil (first 48 channels), then the middle foil has some some structures, then another pitch in the third foil. The overall deviations are +/-50microns. Better description can be obtained if assume 5mm +12/14/11 microns pitch for the first/second/third foil resp., then we have variations of +/-20 microns.
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- Eugene: be aware that for the commission we will have ~3m air in front of the solid target (in nominal position) which is ~0.8% R.L. while the 2mm target is ~0.25%. We may decide use carbon or Al target instead of plastic. Simon: for the CDC we will use the target at nominal position. It should not be a problem  to have several targets at the same time.
  
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- It is critical to have the sparsification firmware ready by the middle of September so that  Beni has time to  implement it by the beginning of October for the commissioning run. If the whole firmware is not ready we need at least the "pulse mode" where all the samples are read out, but only for channels with signals above a threshold. In this case we need to think about efficient trigger, like FCAL and TOF coincidence.

Latest revision as of 02:55, 1 April 2015

August 7, 2014 FDC+CDC meeting

Agenda

  1. DAQ (Beni)
  2. CDC status (Mike, Beni)
  3. FDC status interaction event reconstructed with cluster timing algorithm(Lubomir)
  4. Electronics (Chris, Nick)
  5. Engineering (Bill)
    • Chiller
    • Cathode scan [1] (Luke)
  6. Commissioning Wiki Page (all)
  7. Other

Instructions for Bluejeans meeting connection

FDC meeting ID: 290664653

Minutes

Participants: Sean (NU), Bill, Luke, Mike, Chris, Nick, Simon, Beni, Eugene, and Lubomir (JLab).

DAQ

- Beni: the synchronized run (CDC +BCAL) didn't work over the weekend. Something is wrong with the data, as if the the signals were not in the time window. Still, the DAQ was running over the weekend without crushing. Will try it again this weekend.

CDC update

- Beni: the noise was studied with modified HVB in which the resistors, that reduce the signal by 1/2, were removed. As result, both the noise and the signals increased by factor of 2. Beni will try also with the FDC pre-amp.

- Beni and Mike tried to improve the ground using: grounding braid connected to one HVB, Al foil covering the whole magnet opening. No improvements so far, but maybe one has to ground many more HVBs before you see any effect (Beni). More discussions about the noise: what is the resistivity of the CDC aluminum ring and was it anodized, what kind of grounding straps can be attached and how.

FDC update

- Lubomir was improving the tracking: significant advantage if one uses the timing of each ionization cluster (the positions of the maximums in the fADC data). The time of each cluster should be the same for the upper, down strips and the wires. This allows to reconstruct multiple hits (ionization clusters) on the same wire or strip and separate tracks very close to each other, as demonstrated on the attached plot (shown are avalanche positions, no drift time correction yet).

Electronics

- Casey installed almost all CDC retainers (the retainer keeps the connector to the pre-amp in place).

Engineering

- Bill: the compressor will come today and will be replaced tomorrow. The chiller failed last Saturday due to compressor overheating, on Monday technicians from facilities found that the compressor has to be replaced. Bill: the most important question is why it failed and do we need spare chiller or parts for the long run. Eugene: during runs we don't want to wait a week for the chiller to be repaired. Let's first see if this failure was an exception, but in any case having a spare compressor (~$1k) will not be a problem.

- Bill: the water flow/quality is a suspect; rust found in the water filter. Therefore a flow meter for the chilled water was installed and Dave should be able to read it. According to Tom, we are going to change the water filters every month. Eugene: we may need better (centralized) filtering system. Bill asked Carroll Jones if the water quality can be improved.

- Luke did already measurements in three positions and is working now on the fourth. The averaged (over 8 strips) pitch values as function of their positions are shown on the 2D plot. They vary between 5.009 and 5.014 mm (color coded). Eugene: to describe this with a model there are central regions for each foil you can consider flat, and dips in between where the Kapton tape is glued.

Commissioning

- The estimates are that at 10^-4 R.L. radiator and 50nA electron beam we will have 180Hz charged particle from 2mm plastic target. The fraction that goes on the FDC has to be simulated, but if we assume 20Hz charged particles on the FDC, we will need about 2 beam-on-target days to have ~3M events. Based on the experience with the package 3 this will be enough for the alignment in one configuration, so in total 4 days (magnet on/off). The target has to be placed as far as possible which is at ~4m upstream from the face of the CDC, at the exit of the vacuum pipe there.

- Eugene: be aware that for the commission we will have ~3m air in front of the solid target (in nominal position) which is ~0.8% R.L. while the 2mm target is ~0.25%. We may decide use carbon or Al target instead of plastic. Simon: for the CDC we will use the target at nominal position. It should not be a problem to have several targets at the same time.

- It is critical to have the sparsification firmware ready by the middle of September so that Beni has time to implement it by the beginning of October for the commissioning run. If the whole firmware is not ready we need at least the "pulse mode" where all the samples are read out, but only for channels with signals above a threshold. In this case we need to think about efficient trigger, like FCAL and TOF coincidence.