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= Agenda =
 
= Agenda =
 
# [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/CABLE_ROUTING_INSTALLATION.pptx FDC installation and cable routing] (Tom Carstens)
 
# [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/CABLE_ROUTING_INSTALLATION.pptx FDC installation and cable routing] (Tom Carstens)
# Production [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/production/FDC_Construction_Jun_21_2012.xlsx Construction Tracking] (Dave)
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# Production [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/production/FDC_Construction_Jun_28_2012.xlsx Construction Tracking] (Dave)
 
#* Production status
 
#* Production status
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#* Other: package transportation, subsystem installations
 
# Engineering update
 
# Engineering update
 
#* Cooling system  
 
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#* Cathode tests of the first package (Vlad)
 
#* Cathode tests of the first package (Vlad)
 
# Other
 
# Other
 
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= Minutes =
 
= Minutes =
  
Participants: Eugene, Dave, Nick, Vlad, Simon, Beni, and Lubomir.   
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Participants: Tom, Scott, Eugene, Tim, Slava, Mark, Dave, Chris, Nick, Vlad, Simon, Beni, and Lubomir.  Many participants this time, some of them left after Tom's presentation.
 
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== FDC installation and cable routing ==
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- Tom went through the slides linked above showing the FDC in three positions and on separate slides only the cable routing for these positions. The cables are divided in four quadrants and bundled together between the mesh cylinder (that separates the cables from the CDC) and the electronics racks.
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Left and right sides are symmetric. Two bundles run on the floor turn, below the platform, and go up through openings to the racks. The other two bundles will run over hangers attached to the racks and installation carts.
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- The length of the bundles in the drawing is biggest for the initial position. While the FDC is being moved into the magnet, the top sections of the carts will be removed and the lower bundles will be lifted (there's enough slack) over the lower part of the carts. According to Tom this will be the most difficult part: the bundles have to be well supported to avoid deformation of the mesh cylinder. During this operation the bent position of the bundles will change all the time. Despite the stiffness of the bundle this will be possible (Tim, Tom). In the final position the length of the bundled section will be smallest, in reality the bundle length will not change, which means we have to find place for service loops. There will be additional loops of the individual cables either inside the bundles or close to the electronics.
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== Production ==
 
== Production ==
  
- Dave: Fourth cell was installed yesterday in the fourth package. Working also on several spare cathodes. Right after the meeting we installed the fifth one. The plan was to install the last cell on Friday, however, after the meeting we found a bad channel (cut on copper trace) on one cathode that will require more time for fixing; therefore we will finish with the fourth package installation on Monday.
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- Dave: Installation of the fourth package was completed on Monday. Today Vlad noticed that one cathode in the middle was positioned incorrectly (15deg off). We discussed if it is possible to lift the top three cells together, correct the cathode position and then put the three cells back. For that we pull down the installation pins (one by one) to the right position so that separate only the top three cells and then insert from the top additional pins to keep to top part together. After the meeting this operation was done successfully. Three of the pins we did like this, for the other three we pushed the top pins further down so that it was easier to insert the top part in the right place.
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We can use this technique to separate part of the package if we have to fix something there.  
  
- The second production wire frame: there was a bad HV sector showing ~20MOhm field to sense wires resistance while the other three were OK. Two wires, which pads were covered by the copper sulfide spill there, were replaced by Casey including the epoxy around them that was most likely contaminated by the chemical.
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- Dave showed the scheme (linked above) for the package refurbishment. As we did with the third and fourth packages we will install and test them in two halves. Techs working on the last two spare cathodes and preparing the last two spare wire frames for testing.  
After that we measured the resistance: about 20-30 MOhm and 50-100 MOhm on the other sectors. We recalled that on the first four wire frames we used Epolite that is susceptible to humidity. After flushing the wire frame with gas since Monday today we were able to put 2100/-500V with ~800/-500nA currents, still high but we hope the epoxy will dry and the currents will go down. So far we have one wire frame that can't be used. Eugene suggested not to postpone too much the ordering of the four extra PCB sets.
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- Chris will submit PR for four PCB sets. We need to build (so far) one wire frame and for that we have a spare laminated G10 frame. If more wire frames are needed we will have to order more G10 frames, as well.
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- Today the first package was moved back from EEL126 to Blue Crab for refurbishment. We are preparing for the installation of the subsystems on the third package. Will try to print the pre-amp labels from file and put them on the cards before the installation.
  
 
== Engineering update ==  
 
== Engineering update ==  
  
- Without Bill we discussed the grounding hardware: if we want to use Rohacell or the rubber material suggested by Bill for filling the void between wire and cathode frames. Since we will have of the order of 100 such blocks per package, Simon said it's too much material and we better use Rohacell.  
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- Eugene asked us before if we can use water for cooling instead of Fluorinert and if there are examples for that. At ATLAS all the cooling systems that are not serviceable use some type of Fluorinert, while for the outer system water cooling is used as well.
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- We discussed what will happen in case of water leakage and if there's a way to put containers below the manifolds.
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The main question, if it is safe to use water, remains. Certainly this has to be discussed with Bill and Fernando.
  
 
== Electronics update ==
 
== Electronics update ==
  
- Nick: no news, waiting for different parts, grounding clips, LV stuff, to come.  
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- Chris: delay with the grounding clips, they were supposed to be done by today, but the company answered they will send us first article sometimes next week.
  
 
== Cable assignment ==
 
== Cable assignment ==
  
- Vlad showed the new scheme linked above. First, wire/strip pre-amp cards are classified according to their rate levels. Wires: level 1 for the side connectors 1 and 4, and level 2 for the central connectors 2 and 3. Every F1TDC module (two connectors) has always one level 1 and one level 2 card. Strips: level 1 for connectors 1 and 8, level 2 for 2 and 7, level 3 for 3 and 6 and level 4/4' for 4,5/9 (the three central sectors). Each fADC125 (three connectors) is connected to either 4-1-3 card levels or 4'-2-2. In addition cards from different packages are combined already on module level to equalize the rate difference in the different packages, the latter estimated to be ~20%.  
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- Vlad: final scheme linked above. Same logic for distributing the loads within a package, but this time the packages are separated, i.e no mixture of cables from different packages.
 
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- The presented scheme obviously confused many on the meeting since already on module/crate level you have mixture of crates, cells, sectors. Eugene insisted that if the package variation is relatively small we better have some order with respect to package/cell number when assigning modules/crates for them. The advantage of such scheme is also that we have better chances to keep the cables bundled up to the electronics, since cables from the different packages will end at different distances. Vlad will modify the scheme by assigning the cables from a package to a group of modules close together. 
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- Related to the cabling we discussed how the installation will be done in such a way that the cables will stay connected to the electronics. Without Tom, Tim or Bill our discussion was not very efficient. It was not clear for us how much extra cable will be needed during the installation and where will it go after that, how the installation carts will be removed minimazing the probability to damage the cables and so on. We will invite Tom/Tim for the next meeting to discuss this. What was clear for us is that mixing cables from different packages will make the installation even more difficult.
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== Gas system ==
 
== Gas system ==
  
- Beni: Narciso is working on the system; expect specialized meeting soon soon.
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- Beni: Narciso has a preliminary scheme and scheduled a meeting beginning of next month.  
  
 
== Test set-up at 126 ==
 
== Test set-up at 126 ==
  
- Beni: Elliot is working on CODA-Light for the two-crate system.
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- Beni: working on CODA-Light for the two-crate system, will move to Linux ROCs. Eugene: why not to use real CODA?
 
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- Vlad tested so far the cathodes of 3.5 cells on the first package. One bad pin on a LV connector found.
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- Vlad tested the cathodes of five cells (the 55Fe source is not strong enough for the sixth cell). All channels working, but same complains as before: need to fix the cooling tubes somehow to the chamber. We will attach them to the holes at the perimeter of the frames with cable ties. Problems with the pins of two LV connectors.

Latest revision as of 18:21, 3 July 2012

June 28, 2012 FDC meeting

Agenda

  1. FDC installation and cable routing (Tom Carstens)
  2. Production Construction Tracking (Dave)
    • Production status
    • Other: package transportation, subsystem installations
  3. Engineering update
    • Cooling system
  4. Electronics update (Chris)
  5. Cable assignment (Vlad)
  6. Gas system (Beni)
  7. Test set-up in 126 (Beni)
    • Cathode tests of the first package (Vlad)
  8. Other

Minutes

Participants: Tom, Scott, Eugene, Tim, Slava, Mark, Dave, Chris, Nick, Vlad, Simon, Beni, and Lubomir. Many participants this time, some of them left after Tom's presentation.

FDC installation and cable routing

- Tom went through the slides linked above showing the FDC in three positions and on separate slides only the cable routing for these positions. The cables are divided in four quadrants and bundled together between the mesh cylinder (that separates the cables from the CDC) and the electronics racks. Left and right sides are symmetric. Two bundles run on the floor turn, below the platform, and go up through openings to the racks. The other two bundles will run over hangers attached to the racks and installation carts.

- The length of the bundles in the drawing is biggest for the initial position. While the FDC is being moved into the magnet, the top sections of the carts will be removed and the lower bundles will be lifted (there's enough slack) over the lower part of the carts. According to Tom this will be the most difficult part: the bundles have to be well supported to avoid deformation of the mesh cylinder. During this operation the bent position of the bundles will change all the time. Despite the stiffness of the bundle this will be possible (Tim, Tom). In the final position the length of the bundled section will be smallest, in reality the bundle length will not change, which means we have to find place for service loops. There will be additional loops of the individual cables either inside the bundles or close to the electronics.

Production

- Dave: Installation of the fourth package was completed on Monday. Today Vlad noticed that one cathode in the middle was positioned incorrectly (15deg off). We discussed if it is possible to lift the top three cells together, correct the cathode position and then put the three cells back. For that we pull down the installation pins (one by one) to the right position so that separate only the top three cells and then insert from the top additional pins to keep to top part together. After the meeting this operation was done successfully. Three of the pins we did like this, for the other three we pushed the top pins further down so that it was easier to insert the top part in the right place. We can use this technique to separate part of the package if we have to fix something there.

- Dave showed the scheme (linked above) for the package refurbishment. As we did with the third and fourth packages we will install and test them in two halves. Techs working on the last two spare cathodes and preparing the last two spare wire frames for testing.

- Chris will submit PR for four PCB sets. We need to build (so far) one wire frame and for that we have a spare laminated G10 frame. If more wire frames are needed we will have to order more G10 frames, as well.

- Today the first package was moved back from EEL126 to Blue Crab for refurbishment. We are preparing for the installation of the subsystems on the third package. Will try to print the pre-amp labels from file and put them on the cards before the installation.

Engineering update

- Eugene asked us before if we can use water for cooling instead of Fluorinert and if there are examples for that. At ATLAS all the cooling systems that are not serviceable use some type of Fluorinert, while for the outer system water cooling is used as well.

- We discussed what will happen in case of water leakage and if there's a way to put containers below the manifolds. The main question, if it is safe to use water, remains. Certainly this has to be discussed with Bill and Fernando.

Electronics update

- Chris: delay with the grounding clips, they were supposed to be done by today, but the company answered they will send us first article sometimes next week.

Cable assignment

- Vlad: final scheme linked above. Same logic for distributing the loads within a package, but this time the packages are separated, i.e no mixture of cables from different packages.

Gas system

- Beni: Narciso has a preliminary scheme and scheduled a meeting beginning of next month.

Test set-up at 126

- Beni: working on CODA-Light for the two-crate system, will move to Linux ROCs. Eugene: why not to use real CODA?

- Vlad tested the cathodes of five cells (the 55Fe source is not strong enough for the sixth cell). All channels working, but same complains as before: need to fix the cooling tubes somehow to the chamber. We will attach them to the holes at the perimeter of the frames with cable ties. Problems with the pins of two LV connectors.