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= Agenda =
 
= Agenda =
# Production [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/production/FDC_Construction_April_18_2013.xlsx Construction Tracking] (Dave)
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# Production [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/production/FDC_Construction_April_25_2013.xlsx Construction Tracking]
 
#* Third package status
 
#* Third package status
# Corrosion tests at MePhi: [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/mephi/mephi_results2.xslx results]
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#* Spare package
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# Corrosion tests at MePhi: [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/mephi/mephi_results2.xlsx results], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/mephi/2013-04-18_100c_pic1.jpg], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/mephi/2013-04-18_100c_pic2.jpg], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/mephi/2013-04-18_100c_pic3.jpg], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/mephi/2013-04-18_100c_pic4.jpg], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/mephi/2013-04-18_100c_pic5.jpg], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/mephi/2013-04-18_100c_pic6.jpg], [http://http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/mephi/2013-04-18_100c_pic7.jpg]
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#* Discoloration in the bottom cathode of package #3 [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/IMG_0116.jpg], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/IMG_0117.jpg],  [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/IMG_0118.jpg], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/IMG_0360.jpg]
 
# Installation (Lubomir, Bill)
 
# Installation (Lubomir, Bill)
 
#* FDC installation [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/installation/FDC_installation.pdf document]
 
#* FDC installation [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/installation/FDC_installation.pdf document]
 
#* Practicing at Blue Crab  
 
#* Practicing at Blue Crab  
 
# Engineering (Bill)
 
# Engineering (Bill)
#* Cooling system tests
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#* Cooling system tests [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/photographs/IMG_0395.jpg], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/photographs/IMG_0397.jpg], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/photographs/IMG_0400.jpg]
 
# Electronics (Chris, Nick)
 
# Electronics (Chris, Nick)
# Full electronics tests [https://halldweb1.jlab.org/elog-halld/FDC FDC E-log]
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# Full electronics tests [https://halldweb.jlab.org/elog-halld/FDC FDC E-log] (Beni)
 
# Other
 
# Other
 
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= Minutes =
 
= Minutes =
  
Participants: Eugene, Fernando, Bill, Dave, Chris, Nick, Simon, and Lubomir.
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Participants: Casey, Bill, Chris, Nick, Simon, Beni, Fernando, and Lubomir.
  
 
== Production ==
 
== Production ==
  
- Dave for the spare package: Just one wire frame remains to be deadened. We will start the installation of the first two spare cells next week. The plan is to install the last two cells with thicker spacer rings (just temporary to test the cluster counting technique). Therefore we need longer treaded rods, later they will be replaced with standard ones. As for the metal pins we can use the standard (short) ones: it will affect only the top cathode that can be centered with pins from the top. Eventually, we want to use He/Isobutane pre-mixed gas for the tests only with the top two cells and then we have to deal with number of issues: safety (flammability), permeability through mylar (Kapton is much better) and we may have to cover the end windows by an additional Kapton foil, but this will come later.      
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- Third package: Casey installed the manifolds without tightening the compression fittings, but as it turned out from the cooling system tests (see below), we have to check the manifolds with high pressure before finishing the installation.
  
- Package #3 status: Cell #6 was tested successfully: all channels working and kept HV for 4 days without trips. All subsystems were restored: grounding, HV connections, also the strong-back was installed. Today we finished replacing the cooling loops; now the splittings are as in the other other packages. What remains to be done is the installation of the cooling manifolds and then the package can be moved to EEL126 for testing with the full electronics.
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- Spare package installation: installation table is ready, Casey made the threaded rods that are longer by 6cm for this package. Next week (after we are done with the third package) we will start putting O-rings on two spacer rings and  one type-1 cathode. The plan is to install two cells at once. The last two cells will be with the two thicker spacer rings, to be used to test the cluster counting technique. It turned out it that we can use the standard gas (40/60) for these studies instead of the Helium mixture. Due to the lower drift velocity with the standard gas one can get a good cluster separation, just we will have up to ~20 microsec drift time, compared to ~7 microsec with the Helium gas.
  
== Installation ==
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== Corrosion tests at MePhi ==
  
- We started collecting the information in a document (linked above) describing the FDC installation. We discussed what are the minimum requirement for the electronics to start the installation and testing of the FDC while it's outside of the magnet. First we discussed if it's possible to lay the cables in a proper way without connecting them to the electronics. Since at least the cable guides will be installed on the racks, this is possible, but then inserting the crates (full of modules) in between the cables will be tricky. At the end, for the testing we will need the modules. This procedure is much more feasible if the crates are already installed in the racks and we are adding modules as we go with the tests. In the moment according to the plan, the modules will be tested in the crates and then the crates together with the modules will be installed in the racks, but Fernando says it's possible first to install the crates only. Therefore, the most likely scenario (in case of delays with the electronics) will be to have the crates installed in the racks in advance. When we start cabling we will use the same set of modules for all the packages moving them from crate to crate.  
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- Vlad sent latest results attached above with pictures. The three Viton samples (one Viton and two Viton+Apiezon) failed at the same time 70 days after the start of the experiment. The two EPDM samples failed within the first 24 hours. Only one Viton sample was still OK, but we decided to open the set-up. Vlad found that the two EPDM samples failed due to the copper corrosion under the O-rings, while all the others had problems in the soldering. Depending on the assumptions for the activation energy, this test gives between 3 and 5 years minimum live time. Vlad prepared six EPDM samples for the next test to be performed at 67degC to estimate the activation energy.
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- Hopefully not related to the corrosion problem, we again observed discoloration (pictures attached above) on the bottom cathode (type-3) of package #3 when we opened it to work on the HV problem there. There, of course, we had Viton + Apiezon. After cleaning with alcohol most of the black stuff was removed but some traces remained as seen on the last picture. The cathode was tested and no problems were found.  
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== Installation ==
  
- For the FDC tests outside of the magnet we will have to install scintillators at the top and bottom of the installation cart for cosmics trigger (Bill will work on the supporting frames). Given the delay with the fADC125 Fernando thinks it's not likely to be able to make self-triggering from the fADCs, so we should relay only on external trigger.  
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- We decided with Fernando to have the crates installed in the racks before we start the cabling. The fADC125 modules will be tested separately and then installed in the crates. The cables will be installed in such a way so that they can be connected to each of the three connectors on the module when it becomes available. Thus, when testing a certain package, even if we don't have the modules for that package in place, we can insert other modules there and do the test. The drawback is of course that you test the modules not together with the crate where they are supposed to be used, but this will speed up the FDC installation.
  
- We will have to leave Blue Crab in August and most likely FDC has to be stored somewhere before the installation starts in the Hall. We discussed different options: somewhere in the Hall, ESB, but the best would be to store it in the EEL126, it needs ~5 x 8 feet space.
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- Cable practicing: Bill will look if the mesh cylinder attachment needs to be modified. We decided to use the real packages (we will have at least three at Blue Crab) for this exercise. The main concern is the strain relief for the cables: where they have to be attached to? Bill: the main strain relief comes from the attachment to the mesh; in between the packages we will use carbon rods tightened to the outer side of the cooling tubes, that will be used to support the cables there. Since the copper tubes are supported mostly by the preamps (but also by the manifolds) we want to make sure the load on the preamps is small enough. That's why we want to prototype all this configuration. If necessary, we can add support from the frame in the way the manifolds are supported, but this will add additional material.
 
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- Practicing at Blue Crab with the cables: Dave installed wheels on the two installation carts that will be used for the tests, and made space for them near the clean room. Casey installed the mesh (top half) on the cart; it may need additional support (bearings) in the middle and Bill will look into that. It is good to have a template (made out of wood for example) to measure the thickness of the cable bundles around the mesh. The mock-up will be connected firmly to the cart just to hold the cables (we don't have enough holding brackets to user bearings).
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== Engineering ==
 
== Engineering ==
  
- Bill: we will do the testing of the cooling system only with the set-up in the EEL126; no more tests at Blue Crab. The set-up in 126 has the same fittings, manifolds etc. To make sure the output pressure from the water chiller is low enough for the SMC chiller, there will be a bypass with a valve. The plan is to do the test on Monday.  
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- Cooling system test: the testing set-up was finished at the beginning of the week and this morning we put Fluorinert in the chiller, but immediately after turning it on Fluorinert blew off at several places on the front three or four manifolds. There visible cracks seen in the pictures attached. The manifolds are made out of Norel and the first batch was tested at 230psi with water, while we had 100psi in this test. It's not clear exactly what is the cause for the cracks: just came from another production batch with the cracks already, or caused by tightening the fittings, or something that shows up only when using Fluorinert, not water? In any case a decision has been made to make the manifolds out of aluminum. Bill already ordered the parts after the meeting. Four manifolds will be ready in a week and can be put on the third package. At the same time we will test all the manifolds for cracks at Blue Crab using CO2.
  
 
== Electronics ==
 
== Electronics ==
  
- Fernando: by the end of next week we will have 34 fADC125 available. Now the communication with the company producing the fADCs is much better. The plan for the mass production is to have 45 units beginning of May and then receiving 45 each two weeks till the end of June. The production of the 54 F1TDC(V3) is finished, 43 will go to UMass for testing. By the end of May we will have all the TDCs here at JLab.      
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- Fernando: Cody is doing full tests of the fADC125 modules including the interface to the crate. Cody will not be here by the beginning of the next week, therefore we can have 30+ modules at the end of next week. Beni got 3 modules to play with.
  
 
== Full electronics tests  ==
 
== Full electronics tests  ==
  
- The third package will be ready for moving to 126 by the beginning of next week. Will have 30 fADC125 by the end of next week. Will need 132 signal cables that we decided to label with the original labels, and 33 LV cables (not labeled); all this we will get from Nick. After testing the chiller at the beginning of the next week we can directly hook it up to the manifolds of the package. In summary: we will have all the infrastructure needed for the test by the end of next week, so we should plan moving the package to 126 by that time.
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- Decided to postpone the transportation of the third package to JLab, will do it next week after the manifolds are tested and installed and when we will have the fADC125s.
  
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- Beni: the CAEN HV module that failed in 126 (all the channels went up to the hardware limit) was tested by Nick in 117 without load and was working properly.

Latest revision as of 06:05, 1 April 2015

April 25, 2013 FDC meeting

Agenda

  1. Production Construction Tracking
    • Third package status
    • Spare package
  2. Corrosion tests at MePhi: results, [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]
    • Discoloration in the bottom cathode of package #3 [8], [9], [10], [11]
  3. Installation (Lubomir, Bill)
    • FDC installation document
    • Practicing at Blue Crab
  4. Engineering (Bill)
  5. Electronics (Chris, Nick)
  6. Full electronics tests FDC E-log (Beni)
  7. Other

Minutes

Participants: Casey, Bill, Chris, Nick, Simon, Beni, Fernando, and Lubomir.

Production

- Third package: Casey installed the manifolds without tightening the compression fittings, but as it turned out from the cooling system tests (see below), we have to check the manifolds with high pressure before finishing the installation.

- Spare package installation: installation table is ready, Casey made the threaded rods that are longer by 6cm for this package. Next week (after we are done with the third package) we will start putting O-rings on two spacer rings and one type-1 cathode. The plan is to install two cells at once. The last two cells will be with the two thicker spacer rings, to be used to test the cluster counting technique. It turned out it that we can use the standard gas (40/60) for these studies instead of the Helium mixture. Due to the lower drift velocity with the standard gas one can get a good cluster separation, just we will have up to ~20 microsec drift time, compared to ~7 microsec with the Helium gas.

Corrosion tests at MePhi

- Vlad sent latest results attached above with pictures. The three Viton samples (one Viton and two Viton+Apiezon) failed at the same time 70 days after the start of the experiment. The two EPDM samples failed within the first 24 hours. Only one Viton sample was still OK, but we decided to open the set-up. Vlad found that the two EPDM samples failed due to the copper corrosion under the O-rings, while all the others had problems in the soldering. Depending on the assumptions for the activation energy, this test gives between 3 and 5 years minimum live time. Vlad prepared six EPDM samples for the next test to be performed at 67degC to estimate the activation energy.

- Hopefully not related to the corrosion problem, we again observed discoloration (pictures attached above) on the bottom cathode (type-3) of package #3 when we opened it to work on the HV problem there. There, of course, we had Viton + Apiezon. After cleaning with alcohol most of the black stuff was removed but some traces remained as seen on the last picture. The cathode was tested and no problems were found.

Installation

- We decided with Fernando to have the crates installed in the racks before we start the cabling. The fADC125 modules will be tested separately and then installed in the crates. The cables will be installed in such a way so that they can be connected to each of the three connectors on the module when it becomes available. Thus, when testing a certain package, even if we don't have the modules for that package in place, we can insert other modules there and do the test. The drawback is of course that you test the modules not together with the crate where they are supposed to be used, but this will speed up the FDC installation.

- Cable practicing: Bill will look if the mesh cylinder attachment needs to be modified. We decided to use the real packages (we will have at least three at Blue Crab) for this exercise. The main concern is the strain relief for the cables: where they have to be attached to? Bill: the main strain relief comes from the attachment to the mesh; in between the packages we will use carbon rods tightened to the outer side of the cooling tubes, that will be used to support the cables there. Since the copper tubes are supported mostly by the preamps (but also by the manifolds) we want to make sure the load on the preamps is small enough. That's why we want to prototype all this configuration. If necessary, we can add support from the frame in the way the manifolds are supported, but this will add additional material.

Engineering

- Cooling system test: the testing set-up was finished at the beginning of the week and this morning we put Fluorinert in the chiller, but immediately after turning it on Fluorinert blew off at several places on the front three or four manifolds. There visible cracks seen in the pictures attached. The manifolds are made out of Norel and the first batch was tested at 230psi with water, while we had 100psi in this test. It's not clear exactly what is the cause for the cracks: just came from another production batch with the cracks already, or caused by tightening the fittings, or something that shows up only when using Fluorinert, not water? In any case a decision has been made to make the manifolds out of aluminum. Bill already ordered the parts after the meeting. Four manifolds will be ready in a week and can be put on the third package. At the same time we will test all the manifolds for cracks at Blue Crab using CO2.

Electronics

- Fernando: Cody is doing full tests of the fADC125 modules including the interface to the crate. Cody will not be here by the beginning of the next week, therefore we can have 30+ modules at the end of next week. Beni got 3 modules to play with.

Full electronics tests

- Decided to postpone the transportation of the third package to JLab, will do it next week after the manifolds are tested and installed and when we will have the fADC125s.

- Beni: the CAEN HV module that failed in 126 (all the channels went up to the hardware limit) was tested by Nick in 117 without load and was working properly.