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#* Production status
 
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#* Testing at Blue Crab (Lubomir)
 
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# First package tests [https://halldweb1.jlab.org/elog-halld/FDC/ FDC ELOG] (Beni, Lubomir)
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# First package tests [https://halldweb.jlab.org/elog-halld/FDC/ FDC ELOG] (Beni, Lubomir)
 
# Engineering update[http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/NEW_MANIFOLD_ASSY2.png],[http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/NEW_MANIFOLD_ASSY1.png cooling manifold] (Bill)  
 
# Engineering update[http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/NEW_MANIFOLD_ASSY2.png],[http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/NEW_MANIFOLD_ASSY1.png cooling manifold] (Bill)  
 
# Electronics update (Nick)
 
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== Production ==
 
== Production ==
  
- Dave:  Deadened the first wire plane of package 3 with the larger diameter using the procedure with increased current and the same time as for the smaller diameter, but adding extra polishing cycle. Working on four cathodes now and on the last wire frame for the third package. One more cathode to finish the package. There's not much space now to start the fourth package. Testing the chambers of the third package will be the bottleneck since it takes time to flush the chambers with gas. We will try to use weekends for that if possible. Third package was started partially end of November, so less than three months ago. Still we need to work on the subsystems for both package 2 and 3.
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- Dave:  Deadened the first wire plane of package 3 with the larger diameter using the procedure with increased current and the same time as for the smaller diameter, but adding extra polishing cycle. Working on four cathodes now and on the last wire frame for the third package. One more cathode to finish the package. There's not much space to start the fourth package. Testing the chambers of the third package will be the bottleneck since it takes time to flush the chambers with gas. We will try to use weekends for that if possible. Third package was started partially end of November, so less than three months ago. Still we need to work on the subsystems for both package 2 and 3.
  
- First cell of the third package was assembled yesterday, flushed with gas over night on today we were able to apply HV which by now is already the nominal one. The dark currents are very low. If it holds over the night we will assume that the wire deadening procedure works and we will continue tomorrow with the deadening of the next wire plane. Tomorrow also we will test the first cell and if everything is OK will try to assemble the second cell so that we can use the weekend to flush it.  
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- First cell of the third package was assembled yesterday, flushed with gas over night and today we were able to apply HV which by now is already the nominal one. The dark currents are very low. If it holds over the night we will assume that the wire deadening procedure works and we will continue tomorrow with the deadening of the next wire plane. Tomorrow also we will test the first cell and if everything is OK will try to assemble the second cell so that we can use the weekend to flush it.  
 
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== First package testing ==
 
== First package testing ==
  
- Beni showed results posted in the new FDC Elog linked above, entries #9-13.  
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- Beni showed results posted in the new FDC Elog linked above. After all the gas problems have been fixed/identified, now the main concern is the chamber efficiency. The only time we had full efficiency was in cell#3 when it was leaking through the hole in the exhaust tube and was taking most of the gas flaw, but not clear what fraction of the total 200ccpm at that time. There are also two groups of 4 channels not working, but the problem is not in the chamber; Beni will investigate it.
  
- Lubomir: good start for the first package, all wires working, no HV trips below 2150V with 50/50 Ar/CO2, while two channels tripped at 2200V which corresponds to a high gain of >10^5. Changing the HV from 2100/-500V to 2200/-500V (entry #12) improved the efficiency significantly. Now testing 21500/-500V. On the other hand we should try different ways to reduce the noise. One is to improve the LV distribution that contributes now to the noise problem due to voltage drops over the cables. After the meeting Beni installed  new LV cables from Chris, one per plane, and the noise was reduced so that we have now 15V threshold.     
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- Obviously this is a gas problem and we discussed different ways to approach it. Beni: wanted to install the two new mass flow controllers that allow to have 500ccpm each, but before that we will install the oxygen sensor. Lubomir: we have to make sure there are no air bubbles between the cathode and ground planes; for that we will incline the package so that the supply is at the lowest and the exhaust at the highest point. For the electrons to be attached to the oxygen a third molecule is needed, it could be CO2 but water is 10 times more efficient than CO2. Water may come inside from the kapton that may have 1-2% water due to
 
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to foil aligning procedure. The foils stay in direct contact with water for at least 16 hours. Depending on the results for the oxygen content we will decide if we need moisture measurements (to 0.1% precision).     
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== Engineering ==
 
== Engineering ==
  
- Bill discussed with Beni the gas system already before the meeting. With the present MKS we can't have flows higher than 280-300 ccpm and we may need higher flows to improve the chamber efficiency. Bill will start designing the new gas system. At present Beni has two mass flow controllers with 500 ccpm max flow (for nitrogen) capable of supplying in total >700 ccpm Ar/CO2.  
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- Bill showed models (attached above) of the cooling system manifolds and their attachment to the package; four manifolds per package. Discussed what is the best material for the holding brackets. Bill offered two options, aluminum or G10, but prefers aluminum. Elton after checking the radiation lengths (what matters for the photon conversion): G10 is factor of 2 better if sizes are the same. Bill will look for the best solution.    
  
- Bill asked what is needed to improve the grounding (see drawing of the grounding connections to the package attached above). The idea is to have six grounding places around the chamber where all the cathodes, wire frames, end windows, cooling tubes are connected together. Then we will have an external ground coming to the grounding plate shown on the drawing that has connections also for the HV return. The current idea is to use the tubes to connect the external ground to these six places. For that Bill will design a Cu clamp instead just the plate shown on the drawing. For the connections to the tubes at the six grounding places Bill suggested soldering terminals to the tubes.
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- There was a long discussion how to survey the FDC packages outside and inside the magnet. Bill explained his ideas about the fiducial points. It will be a ball attached to the gusset ring with a post, holder and carbon-fiber rod. It can be surveyed outside of the magnet. For the inside survey we need optical targets. Precision will be about 0.5mm. Beni proposed to use something more rigid than the carbon fiber rods. Elton: if we can't get precision similar to the chamber resolution of 0.2mm then the survey will not help. Bill: this is what we can get with such light frames; due to deformations the positions will be different when inserted in the magnet. Bill wants to design g10 cylinders and rods between the packages firmly attached to the gusset rings so that such deformations are minimal. Thus, even if we don't have very precise positions from the survey we will make sure that the positions of the packages are stable and one can do the alignment with the data.  
 
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- What if we have to disassemble the cooling tubes: the way the cooling system is designed, because of the the bending of the tubes, Bill thinks that we have to cut the tubes and then make new ones.  
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== Electronics ==
 
== Electronics ==
 
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- Chris proposed LV cables that we have now with two LV connectors at one end to be used for the tests of the first package, by directly connecting the wires at the other end to the LV supply.
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- Nick: all the pre-amp cards are assembled and now with Cody.
 
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- Most of the pre-amp cards for the FDC are assembled and are/will be tested by Cody.  
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== Other ==
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- Simon made changes in the TDR, separating the gas considerations from the introduction
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- No FDC meeting next week, due to the collaboration meeting.
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Latest revision as of 22:47, 31 March 2015

February 23, 2012 FDC meeting

Agenda

  1. Production Construction Tracking (Dave)
    • Production status
    • Testing at Blue Crab (Lubomir)
  2. First package tests FDC ELOG (Beni, Lubomir)
  3. Engineering update[1],cooling manifold (Bill)
  4. Electronics update (Nick)
  5. Other


Minutes

Participants: Bill, Dave, Nick, Elton, Mark, Simon, Beni, and Lubomir.

Production

- Dave: Deadened the first wire plane of package 3 with the larger diameter using the procedure with increased current and the same time as for the smaller diameter, but adding extra polishing cycle. Working on four cathodes now and on the last wire frame for the third package. One more cathode to finish the package. There's not much space to start the fourth package. Testing the chambers of the third package will be the bottleneck since it takes time to flush the chambers with gas. We will try to use weekends for that if possible. Third package was started partially end of November, so less than three months ago. Still we need to work on the subsystems for both package 2 and 3.

- First cell of the third package was assembled yesterday, flushed with gas over night and today we were able to apply HV which by now is already the nominal one. The dark currents are very low. If it holds over the night we will assume that the wire deadening procedure works and we will continue tomorrow with the deadening of the next wire plane. Tomorrow also we will test the first cell and if everything is OK will try to assemble the second cell so that we can use the weekend to flush it.

First package testing

- Beni showed results posted in the new FDC Elog linked above. After all the gas problems have been fixed/identified, now the main concern is the chamber efficiency. The only time we had full efficiency was in cell#3 when it was leaking through the hole in the exhaust tube and was taking most of the gas flaw, but not clear what fraction of the total 200ccpm at that time. There are also two groups of 4 channels not working, but the problem is not in the chamber; Beni will investigate it.

- Obviously this is a gas problem and we discussed different ways to approach it. Beni: wanted to install the two new mass flow controllers that allow to have 500ccpm each, but before that we will install the oxygen sensor. Lubomir: we have to make sure there are no air bubbles between the cathode and ground planes; for that we will incline the package so that the supply is at the lowest and the exhaust at the highest point. For the electrons to be attached to the oxygen a third molecule is needed, it could be CO2 but water is 10 times more efficient than CO2. Water may come inside from the kapton that may have 1-2% water due to to foil aligning procedure. The foils stay in direct contact with water for at least 16 hours. Depending on the results for the oxygen content we will decide if we need moisture measurements (to 0.1% precision).

Engineering

- Bill showed models (attached above) of the cooling system manifolds and their attachment to the package; four manifolds per package. Discussed what is the best material for the holding brackets. Bill offered two options, aluminum or G10, but prefers aluminum. Elton after checking the radiation lengths (what matters for the photon conversion): G10 is factor of 2 better if sizes are the same. Bill will look for the best solution.

- There was a long discussion how to survey the FDC packages outside and inside the magnet. Bill explained his ideas about the fiducial points. It will be a ball attached to the gusset ring with a post, holder and carbon-fiber rod. It can be surveyed outside of the magnet. For the inside survey we need optical targets. Precision will be about 0.5mm. Beni proposed to use something more rigid than the carbon fiber rods. Elton: if we can't get precision similar to the chamber resolution of 0.2mm then the survey will not help. Bill: this is what we can get with such light frames; due to deformations the positions will be different when inserted in the magnet. Bill wants to design g10 cylinders and rods between the packages firmly attached to the gusset rings so that such deformations are minimal. Thus, even if we don't have very precise positions from the survey we will make sure that the positions of the packages are stable and one can do the alignment with the data.

Electronics

- Nick: all the pre-amp cards are assembled and now with Cody.