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# Engineering update (Bill)
 
# Engineering update (Bill)
 
#* Cooling system  
 
#* Cooling system  
#* [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/GAP_TO_CONNECTOR.png HV connector position]   
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#* Other: [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/GAP_TO_CONNECTOR.png HV connector position]   
 
# Electronics update (Chris)
 
# Electronics update (Chris)
# Other
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# Other: once more [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc//tracking/FDC_NamingConvention.docx naming convention]
 
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= Minutes =
 
= Minutes =
  
Participants: Bill, Dave, Chris, Nick, Mark, Simon, Beni, and Lubomir.   
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Participants: Bill, Dave, Beni, Chris, Simon, Mark, Eugene, and Lubomir.   
  
 
== Production ==
 
== Production ==
  
- Dave: wire board #20 (first cell of the 3rd package) is ready for wire deadening; waiting for the microscope results from Olga to make sure the new timing/currents for electroplating is OK. Wire board #21 ready for tension measurements, wire board #22 ready for stringing, wire board #23 was laminated. Cathodes: the two type-3 two tyoe-1 and one type-2 ready.  
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- Dave: wire boards #20 and #21 ready waiting just for electroplating. #22 ready for tension measurements. Problem found on #23 (before stringing!): a signal trace (#96) has short to ground most likely in the via or on the trace on the back side of the board. The plan is first to drill the via and confirm the problem is there. Then we will make an opening in the frame to access the trace on the back side of the board, fortunately there's Rohacell on the back of the via, not solid G10.  Then we will solder insulated wire to make the connection. Cathode #33 was glued to the frame with some offset of ~3mm at most. One frame hole covers a trace on the connector; it can be fixed in principal but also the offset is not acceptable (Simon). So we have enough spare material to replace this cathode and will use it only if needed. Wire frame #13 (with the capacitor traces de-laminated) was inspected by EEFAB people. They said it can be fixed in two days, however later they claimed they need a $26K machine for that and want to share the costs; Dave will negotiate with them.
  
- Casey is modifying the frame to install the second package on the rotational brackets (taken from the first package, see discussions later). After the second package is moved the tooling needed for the third package will be installed in the testing room. It includes 14 hubs and three metal pins to be taken from package #2. Package number #2 will remain with three metal pins and plastic rods only.  
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- Another sample using the original electroplating recipe was made with the hope the surface will be smoother. Waiting for the microscope pictures from Olga to make a decision whether we can continue with the wire deadening: two wire planes ready and waiting for this decision.
  
= First package testing status =
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- Second package was put in the rail frame. We discussed that one of the bearings must be fixed (no gap), right now both are loose, so has to be replaced later. Chris: pre-amps for four cells ready but ran out of screws then Cody has to test them. After that we will install them on the package together with the cooling tubes.
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== First package testing ==
 
   
 
   
- Lubomir: First package moved to EEL 126 on Monday; some problems discussed below.  
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- The problems we had before with the HV were understood and fixed after swapping the Ar and CO2 in the gas system. Right now we have Ar/CO2 50/50  and all the channels up at +1920/-500V operating without trips already 24 hours. The gain, as roughly estimated with a source, is ~10^4 and the package is ready for the tests. Normally we work at 4-8 10^4, so later we will increase the HV by 100-150V.
  
- Gas problem: initially it was bubbling at >220ccpm (compared to 40-50ccpm at Blue Crab), but there was no obvious gas leakage except some (1x10^-4 on the leakage detector scale) at the southern side where the input gas connectors were. Today the input and output connectors were swapped and the problem almost disappeared, which indicates the leakage was somewhere at gas connectors or close that to in the chamber. Has to be found and fixed later!
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- Beni pointed out that three of the HV channels (one + and two -) trip at 1V even after they have been disconnected from the chamber. Problem might be at the cable/connectors or in the module. After the meeting Beni found that the problem is in the CAEN modules: not only that the current resolution is very poor to be used with chambers, but there's internal problem with the way the current limitation works at low thresholds. He found that many channels (on four A1535 modules) need initial increase of the current limits up to 100uA to get them working, eventually one could decrease the limits back to 2-5 uA.  
  
- HV module problem: the CAEN HV supply module (A1535) has current resolution of 500nA, to be compared to the dark current of ~10-100nA per HV sector. That makes you blind when working/conditioning the chambers since you don't see if the cables are connected or if the current oscillates. At least there are no problems with the safety of the chamber:  you can apply the minimal threshold of 500nA and even if it trips at 1-2uA it is safe. There are CAEN modules (A1550) with the same connector configuration with 100nA resolution and even special for chambers with 5nA resolution (A2932). It's Lubomir's and Beni's fault, we didn't look carefully at the PR specifications in 2010, but same modules are used by Hall B in much bigger quantities!? Lubomir will discuss with Fernando and Eugene about possible solutions. 
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- Gas problem: the gas tightness is worse than it was at Blue Crab. Now the flow rate is 280ccpm and pressure inside ~40Pa. Most likely there's leakage at the gas inlets that has to be fixed later. Bill: for the next packages we should be more careful handling the tubes connected to the inlets.  
 
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- Other HV problems so far: two negative and two positive HV channels are tripping even if 1 Volt is applied. Could be the module, the cable, or connector problem; easy to identify.
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- Other than that the package is now bubbling with 60/40 gas mixture and the HV so far is 1900/-500V on all the channels except the faulty ones and few more are at 1800. We will continue with the conditioning, and at the same time will start looking at the signals.
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- Beni: the MKS gas system is not reliable and turns off several times a day which makes testing almost impossible. Beni wants to start building the new system that will be used in the Hall. For the beginning his plan is to use the new controllers and asked Bill to design mixing volume with some tubing, that is the minimal equipment needed for the tests. Still waiting for three additional F1TDCs needed to instrument all the wire planes.  
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== Engineering ==
 
== Engineering ==
  
- The way the strong-back is attached to the chamber is not the best: we want the holding brackets to be attached directly to the strong-back, not to the chamber that holds the strong-back now. This also may be related to the gas problem. Bill proposed to install beams bellow the strong-back and put the package sitting on them while testing in 126. At the same time he will look for a way to attach the brackets to the strong-back that will be needed when working on the HV cabling and transporting/carrying the package.  
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- Bill: will come with a plan to test the pump for the gas system; many-fold designed and now in production.
  
- Cooling many-folds are designed, pumps have arrived; Bill plans to start testing parts of the cooling system in 126, including installation on the first package. The additional cooling brackets for the pre-amps arrived; Bill finished also some assemby drawings.
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- There's enough clearance between the HV connector and the rail. If we need we can move the connector slightly inside. Bill proposed to mount the copper grounding plate on the side of the holding brackets that is perpendicular to the chamber plane.  
The tooling for LV connector installation was tested after the meeting: can't be used at some places and requires modifications.
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== Electronics ==
 
== Electronics ==
  
- Chris: three LV cable and three jumpers (enough for all wire planes) are ready. Difficult to install LV connectors on these wires. Maybe we will not need in the near future the cathode LV cables. It turns out that for grounding the strips, we don't need LV on the cathode cards. That was measured by Fernando and the signals from 55Fe source with cathode and grounding cards were compared by Lubomir: almost no difference. Though, the noise looked bigger with the cathode cards and this has to be investigated on the first package.
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- Chris and Nick are working on the pre-amp assembly. Chris gave details about the grounding lugs to be used on the copper plate. There was no answer at the meeting whether we will have one thick grounding cable per package or two, one per side?
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== Other ==
  
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- We decided to keep the old naming/numbering convention, even if it creates confusion of the channel numbering on the pre-amps.

Latest revision as of 19:53, 2 February 2012

February 2, 2012 FDC meeting

Agenda

  1. Production update Construction Tracking (Dave)
    • Third package status
    • Electroplating results
    • Plans for the second package
  2. First package testing (Lubomir, Beni)
  3. Engineering update (Bill)
  4. Electronics update (Chris)
  5. Other: once more naming convention

Minutes

Participants: Bill, Dave, Beni, Chris, Simon, Mark, Eugene, and Lubomir.

Production

- Dave: wire boards #20 and #21 ready waiting just for electroplating. #22 ready for tension measurements. Problem found on #23 (before stringing!): a signal trace (#96) has short to ground most likely in the via or on the trace on the back side of the board. The plan is first to drill the via and confirm the problem is there. Then we will make an opening in the frame to access the trace on the back side of the board, fortunately there's Rohacell on the back of the via, not solid G10. Then we will solder insulated wire to make the connection. Cathode #33 was glued to the frame with some offset of ~3mm at most. One frame hole covers a trace on the connector; it can be fixed in principal but also the offset is not acceptable (Simon). So we have enough spare material to replace this cathode and will use it only if needed. Wire frame #13 (with the capacitor traces de-laminated) was inspected by EEFAB people. They said it can be fixed in two days, however later they claimed they need a $26K machine for that and want to share the costs; Dave will negotiate with them.

- Another sample using the original electroplating recipe was made with the hope the surface will be smoother. Waiting for the microscope pictures from Olga to make a decision whether we can continue with the wire deadening: two wire planes ready and waiting for this decision.

- Second package was put in the rail frame. We discussed that one of the bearings must be fixed (no gap), right now both are loose, so has to be replaced later. Chris: pre-amps for four cells ready but ran out of screws then Cody has to test them. After that we will install them on the package together with the cooling tubes.

First package testing

- The problems we had before with the HV were understood and fixed after swapping the Ar and CO2 in the gas system. Right now we have Ar/CO2 50/50 and all the channels up at +1920/-500V operating without trips already 24 hours. The gain, as roughly estimated with a source, is ~10^4 and the package is ready for the tests. Normally we work at 4-8 10^4, so later we will increase the HV by 100-150V.

- Beni pointed out that three of the HV channels (one + and two -) trip at 1V even after they have been disconnected from the chamber. Problem might be at the cable/connectors or in the module. After the meeting Beni found that the problem is in the CAEN modules: not only that the current resolution is very poor to be used with chambers, but there's internal problem with the way the current limitation works at low thresholds. He found that many channels (on four A1535 modules) need initial increase of the current limits up to 100uA to get them working, eventually one could decrease the limits back to 2-5 uA.

- Gas problem: the gas tightness is worse than it was at Blue Crab. Now the flow rate is 280ccpm and pressure inside ~40Pa. Most likely there's leakage at the gas inlets that has to be fixed later. Bill: for the next packages we should be more careful handling the tubes connected to the inlets.

Engineering

- Bill: will come with a plan to test the pump for the gas system; many-fold designed and now in production.

- There's enough clearance between the HV connector and the rail. If we need we can move the connector slightly inside. Bill proposed to mount the copper grounding plate on the side of the holding brackets that is perpendicular to the chamber plane.

Electronics

- Chris and Nick are working on the pre-amp assembly. Chris gave details about the grounding lugs to be used on the copper plate. There was no answer at the meeting whether we will have one thick grounding cable per package or two, one per side?

Other

- We decided to keep the old naming/numbering convention, even if it creates confusion of the channel numbering on the pre-amps.