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# Production [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/production/FDC_Construction_January_26_2012.xlsx Construction Tracking] (Dave)
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# Production update [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/production/FDC_Construction_January_26_2012.xlsx Construction Tracking] (Dave)
#* Production update
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# First package testing status (Lubomir, Beni)
#* First package status (Lubomir)
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# Engineering update (Bill)   
 
# Engineering update (Bill)   
 
# Electronics update (Chris)
 
# Electronics update (Chris)
#* LV cabling
 
# Testing in 126 (Beni)
 
 
# Other
 
# Other
 
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== Production ==
 
== Production ==
  
- Dave: wire board #20 (first cell of the 3rd package) is ready for wire deadening; waiting for the microscope results from Olga to make sure the new timing/currents for electroplating is OK.  
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- Dave: wire board #20 (first cell of the 3rd package) is ready for wire deadening; waiting for the microscope results from Olga to make sure the new timing/currents for electroplating is OK. Wire board #21 ready for tension measurements, wire board #22 ready for stringing, wire board #23 was laminated. Cathodes: the two type-3 two tyoe-1 and one type-2 ready.  
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- Testing wire deadening with new diameter for the last two packages: Bill recalculated the currents/timing and one sample was made. It turned out the surface looks more rough that before (see microscope picture attached). Bill will add another electro-polishing cycle to smooth the surface and will try it on another sample.
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- All the pre-amp cards and cooling tubes were put on the first package. All HV cables were routed on the package and Chris made the connections to the HV connector (see attached pictures). All positive HV cables are bundled on the upper side of the package and all the negative HV run on the down side. To help the installation the package was installed on the supporting frame to allow its rotation.
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- Casey is modifying the frame to install the second package on the rotational brackets (taken from the first package, see discussions later). After the second package is moved the tooling needed for the third package will be installed in the testing room. It includes 14 hubs and three metal pins to be taken from package #2. Package number #2 will remain with three metal pins and plastic rods only.  
  
== Engineering ==
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= First package testing status =
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- Lubomir: First package moved to EEL 126 on Monday; some problems discussed below.
  
- We discussed how to run/attached the ground cable (0.5" thick!). There will be a copper plate on each package connecting together the ground cable with the detector ground and HV return cables. Bill needed the cable specs from Chris to do the design.
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- Gas problem: initially it was bubbling at >220ccpm (compared to 40-50ccpm at Blue Crab), but there was no obvious gas leakage except some (1x10^-4 on the leakage detector scale) at the southern side where the input gas connectors were. Today the input and output connectors were swapped and the problem almost disappeared, which indicates the leakage was somewhere at gas connectors or close that to in the chamber. Has to be found and fixed later!
  
- Bill is designing the tool for plugging the LV connectors and working also on the cooling system.
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- HV module problem: the CAEN HV supply module (A1535) has current resolution of 500nA, to be compared to the dark current of ~10-100nA per HV sector. That makes you blind when working/conditioning the chambers since you don't see if the cables are connected or if the current oscillates. At least there are no problems with the safety of the chamber:  you can apply the minimal threshold of 500nA and even if it trips at 1-2uA it is safe. There are CAEN modules (A1550) with the same connector configuration with 100nA resolution and even special for chambers with 5nA resolution (A2932). It's Lubomir's and Beni's fault, we didn't look carefully at the PR specifications in 2010, but same modules are used by Hall B in much bigger quantities!? Lubomir will discuss with Fernando and Eugene about possible solutions.
  
== Electronics ==
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- Other HV problems so far: two negative and two positive HV channels are tripping even if 1 Volt is applied. Could be the module, the cable, or connector problem; easy to identify.
  
- Chris: seven pre-amp sets (each 22 cards) are ready and installed on the chambers. Out of them maybe 4-5 cards were out of specs, but Cody would know this better. Chris just finished testing (during the meeting) 32 flat cables to be used between the translator boards and the TDCs for the package testing in 126. 4 more are needed. Will do also 17 LV cables for the tests. 14 of them will have 8 connectors for the cathodes and 3 with 4 connectors for the wires. Lubomir will specify the distance between the connectors.
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- Other than that the package is now bubbling with 60/40 gas mixture and the HV so far is 1900/-500V on all the channels except the faulty ones and few more are at 1800. We will continue with the conditioning, and at the same time will start looking at the signals.
  
- Final LV scheme per package will have 6 cables with 2 connectors 3 inch apart for the wires, and two cable types for the cathodes with 4 connectors: type-1 6 inches apart and type-2 5-8.5-4 inches distance between
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- Beni: the MKS gas system is not reliable and turns off several times a day which makes testing almost impossible. Beni wants to start building the new system that will be used in the Hall. For the beginning his plan is to use the new controllers and asked Bill to design mixing volume with some tubing, that is the minimal equipment needed for the tests. Still waiting for three additional F1TDCs needed to instrument all the wire planes.
connectors. Had to increase the distances by 1/2" from the nominal values due to the 1/2" precision that the company can do.
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== Engineering ==
  
- Some questions that we had to discuss with Fernando about the anode cards. The discriminator cards as installed on the chamber, generate if the external threshold voltage is below 7-10V. According to GlueX Doc1470, this corresponds to about the maximum of the amplifier amplitude. The threshold at which the generation starts also may vary significantly from channel to channel on the same card.  
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- The way the strong-back is attached to the chamber is not the best: we want the holding brackets to be attached directly to the strong-back, not to the chamber that holds the strong-back now. This also may be related to the gas problem. Bill proposed to install beams bellow the strong-back and put the package sitting on them while testing in 126. At the same time he will look for a way to attach the brackets to the strong-back that will be needed when working on the HV cabling and transporting/carrying the package.  
  
== Testing at 126 ==
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- Cooling many-folds are designed, pumps have arrived; Bill plans to start testing parts of the cooling system in 126, including installation on the first package. The additional cooling brackets for the pre-amps arrived; Bill finished also some assemby drawings.
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The tooling for LV connector installation was tested after the meeting: can't be used at some places and requires modifications.
  
- Beni is missing three F1TDC to have all the wires read out. Other than that and the LV cables that Chris will do, everything is ready for the first package that we plan to move on Monday.
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== Electronics ==
  
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- Chris: three LV cable and three jumpers (enough for all wire planes) are ready. Difficult to install LV connectors on these wires. Maybe we will not need in the near future the cathode LV cables. It turns out that for grounding the strips, we don't need LV on the cathode cards. That was measured by Fernando and the signals from 55Fe source with cathode and grounding cards were compared by Lubomir: almost no difference. Though, the noise looked bigger with the cathode cards and this has to be investigated on the first package.

Latest revision as of 19:59, 26 January 2012

January 26, 2012 FDC meeting

Agenda

  1. Production update Construction Tracking (Dave)
  2. First package testing status (Lubomir, Beni)
  3. Engineering update (Bill)
  4. Electronics update (Chris)
  5. Other

Minutes

Participants: Bill, Dave, Chris, Nick, Mark, Simon, Beni, and Lubomir.

Production

- Dave: wire board #20 (first cell of the 3rd package) is ready for wire deadening; waiting for the microscope results from Olga to make sure the new timing/currents for electroplating is OK. Wire board #21 ready for tension measurements, wire board #22 ready for stringing, wire board #23 was laminated. Cathodes: the two type-3 two tyoe-1 and one type-2 ready.

- Casey is modifying the frame to install the second package on the rotational brackets (taken from the first package, see discussions later). After the second package is moved the tooling needed for the third package will be installed in the testing room. It includes 14 hubs and three metal pins to be taken from package #2. Package number #2 will remain with three metal pins and plastic rods only.

First package testing status

- Lubomir: First package moved to EEL 126 on Monday; some problems discussed below.

- Gas problem: initially it was bubbling at >220ccpm (compared to 40-50ccpm at Blue Crab), but there was no obvious gas leakage except some (1x10^-4 on the leakage detector scale) at the southern side where the input gas connectors were. Today the input and output connectors were swapped and the problem almost disappeared, which indicates the leakage was somewhere at gas connectors or close that to in the chamber. Has to be found and fixed later!

- HV module problem: the CAEN HV supply module (A1535) has current resolution of 500nA, to be compared to the dark current of ~10-100nA per HV sector. That makes you blind when working/conditioning the chambers since you don't see if the cables are connected or if the current oscillates. At least there are no problems with the safety of the chamber: you can apply the minimal threshold of 500nA and even if it trips at 1-2uA it is safe. There are CAEN modules (A1550) with the same connector configuration with 100nA resolution and even special for chambers with 5nA resolution (A2932). It's Lubomir's and Beni's fault, we didn't look carefully at the PR specifications in 2010, but same modules are used by Hall B in much bigger quantities!? Lubomir will discuss with Fernando and Eugene about possible solutions.

- Other HV problems so far: two negative and two positive HV channels are tripping even if 1 Volt is applied. Could be the module, the cable, or connector problem; easy to identify.

- Other than that the package is now bubbling with 60/40 gas mixture and the HV so far is 1900/-500V on all the channels except the faulty ones and few more are at 1800. We will continue with the conditioning, and at the same time will start looking at the signals.

- Beni: the MKS gas system is not reliable and turns off several times a day which makes testing almost impossible. Beni wants to start building the new system that will be used in the Hall. For the beginning his plan is to use the new controllers and asked Bill to design mixing volume with some tubing, that is the minimal equipment needed for the tests. Still waiting for three additional F1TDCs needed to instrument all the wire planes.

Engineering

- The way the strong-back is attached to the chamber is not the best: we want the holding brackets to be attached directly to the strong-back, not to the chamber that holds the strong-back now. This also may be related to the gas problem. Bill proposed to install beams bellow the strong-back and put the package sitting on them while testing in 126. At the same time he will look for a way to attach the brackets to the strong-back that will be needed when working on the HV cabling and transporting/carrying the package.

- Cooling many-folds are designed, pumps have arrived; Bill plans to start testing parts of the cooling system in 126, including installation on the first package. The additional cooling brackets for the pre-amps arrived; Bill finished also some assemby drawings. The tooling for LV connector installation was tested after the meeting: can't be used at some places and requires modifications.

Electronics

- Chris: three LV cable and three jumpers (enough for all wire planes) are ready. Difficult to install LV connectors on these wires. Maybe we will not need in the near future the cathode LV cables. It turns out that for grounding the strips, we don't need LV on the cathode cards. That was measured by Fernando and the signals from 55Fe source with cathode and grounding cards were compared by Lubomir: almost no difference. Though, the noise looked bigger with the cathode cards and this has to be investigated on the first package.