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We had another design meeting last Thursday, September ??? where Chuck showed [??? slides] of his work thus far in modifying the design to fit in the FCAL/TOF support structure. We reviewed some of those ideas. They appear to give us the needed clearance.
 
We had another design meeting last Thursday, September ??? where Chuck showed [??? slides] of his work thus far in modifying the design to fit in the FCAL/TOF support structure. We reviewed some of those ideas. They appear to give us the needed clearance.
  
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Chuck has been working on the mechanical support for the TOF. He showed [??? some slides] sketching ideas thus far, especially for holding the vertically-oriented plane.
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Chuck has been working on the mechanical support for the TOF. He showed [??? some slides] sketching ideas thus far, especially for holding the vertically-oriented plane.  
  
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==PMT base design, rates, currents, amplification==
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Beni led us through a revised version of his rate and PMT current studies. See his wiki page, [[Detector Rates and Lifetime]], for details. Since last time he has run Monte Carlo to get a better handle on the average energy of hits from electromagnetic background for counters at various positions in the array. He calculates currents assuming that the average pulse in each counter is 100 mV with a triangular pulse shape, 25 ns at the base.
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To get a better handle on the current, we need to know the number of photoelectrons per unit deposited energy in the counters. Sasha can measure this with the prototype if the tube gain is known. We noted that if he uses the Hamamatsu tubes at the "standard" voltage given in their documentation accompanying each tube and looks at the charge measured for minimum ionizing pulses, then we can rely on the gain published in the document, to the accuracy we need for these estimates, to get p.e.'s/MeV. Earlier Beni had measured the gain of one of these tubes and got a value very close to that in the documentation.
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It seems that we will have to do something about the high rate counters. Options include
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* running the tubes a lower gain
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* using 8-stage tubes rather than the nominal 10-stage tubes
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* using amplifiers to increase the signal level after reducing gain
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** placing the amplifiers in the base
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** using external amplifiers
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* a two-step mitigation plan with one configuration for running at 10<sup>7</sup> and other for running at 10<sup>8</sup>
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We need to decide on an approach soon since we must purchase the tubes now (essentially).
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options
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8-stage tube
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reduced gain
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amplifier on board
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external amplifier
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two-stage implementation: 10^7 and 10^8
  
 
new progress
 
new progress

Revision as of 15:01, 29 September 2011

Thursday, September 29, 2011
10:00 am EDT
JLab: CEBAF Center, Room F326

Agenda

  1. Announcements
  2. Minutes from the last meeting
  3. Mechanical design: Tim, Chuck
  4. PMT base design, rates, currents, amplification Beni
  5. Prototype status: Paul, Sascha
  6. Contract Status: Mark

Communication

Videoconference

  1. ESNet: 8542553
  2. EVO: EVO site

Slides

Talks can be deposited in the directory /group/halld/www/halldweb1/html/talks/2011-3Q on the JLab CUE. This directory is accessible from the web at https://halldweb1.jlab.org/talks/2011-3Q/ .

Minutes

Present:

  • FSU: Paul Eugenio, Sasha Ostrovidov
  • JLab: Chuck Hutton, Mark Ito (chair), Beni Zihlmann

Mechanical design

We had another design meeting last Thursday, September ??? where Chuck showed [??? slides] of his work thus far in modifying the design to fit in the FCAL/TOF support structure. We reviewed some of those ideas. They appear to give us the needed clearance.

Chuck has been working on the mechanical support for the TOF. He showed [??? some slides] sketching ideas thus far, especially for holding the vertically-oriented plane.

PMT base design, rates, currents, amplification

Beni led us through a revised version of his rate and PMT current studies. See his wiki page, Detector Rates and Lifetime, for details. Since last time he has run Monte Carlo to get a better handle on the average energy of hits from electromagnetic background for counters at various positions in the array. He calculates currents assuming that the average pulse in each counter is 100 mV with a triangular pulse shape, 25 ns at the base.

To get a better handle on the current, we need to know the number of photoelectrons per unit deposited energy in the counters. Sasha can measure this with the prototype if the tube gain is known. We noted that if he uses the Hamamatsu tubes at the "standard" voltage given in their documentation accompanying each tube and looks at the charge measured for minimum ionizing pulses, then we can rely on the gain published in the document, to the accuracy we need for these estimates, to get p.e.'s/MeV. Earlier Beni had measured the gain of one of these tubes and got a value very close to that in the documentation.

It seems that we will have to do something about the high rate counters. Options include

  • running the tubes a lower gain
  • using 8-stage tubes rather than the nominal 10-stage tubes
  • using amplifiers to increase the signal level after reducing gain
    • placing the amplifiers in the base
    • using external amplifiers
  • a two-step mitigation plan with one configuration for running at 107 and other for running at 108

We need to decide on an approach soon since we must purchase the tubes now (essentially).

options

8-stage tube reduced gain amplifier on board external amplifier two-stage implementation: 10^7 and 10^8

new progress CAEN TDC stops triggering sergey b has not seen it one of the six pmt, signal 15 % strange pulse shape, very broad 110 ps mean time per plane

ian and chuck will talk this afternoon

paper on xp2020

need photoelectons per mev can be measured with mips if tube gain is known

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