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==Time-of-Flight==
 
==Time-of-Flight==
  
We spent a lot of time updating issues reported at last the last meeting.
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We spent a lot of time updating issues discussed at the last meeting.
  
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===Calibration===
  
pulser cannot easily be changes in amplitude athens scheme
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* Bein told us the LED system planned for the calorimeters cannot easily change the intensity of the light output, as would be convenient for time-walk calibration.
talk to elton about calibration system in hall b
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* We need to talk to Elton Smith or Dan Carman about experience with the CLAS TOF nitorgen laser calibration system.
right now working on testing system at fsu
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* Right now, Paul is working on a LED pulser system aimed at developing experience with the prototype counters.
nichia led
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* Stability of pmts is an issue, but not as critical as for the calorimeters.
stability of pmts is an issue
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* Paul informed us that the time-walk calibration was repeated on a time scale of order a year.
time walk done once per year
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* Eugene told of us of a laser system that was being used in Hall A that may be available.
not necessary to do continuously
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* Tom reminded us that the CLAS electromagnetic calorimeter also has a nitrogen laser calibration scheme. Kevin Giovanetti developed that system.
g12 used laser to calibrate tof 1/3 of channel
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the time walk with the laser data from run in 2001, worked well, time variation in correction very slow
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dr carman still doing it: tom
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potentially lser for hall a
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kevin gio for calorimeter, nitrogen laser
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change of thickness of counters
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===Change of Thickness of Counters===
• pmt has min cathode diameter of 46 mm
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• cutting ert to 46 mm diameter,
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* Paul is exploring where the effective edge of the photocathode are with the Hamamatsu tubes.
• cookie on one end of bar
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** PMT spec. states that the minimum cathode diameter is 46 mm
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** Cutting an ERT disk to that diameter to obscure photocathode
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** Plans to look for residual signal
 
• light reflect out to see if any coming in outside that diameter
 
• light reflect out to see if any coming in outside that diameter
 
• current plan: silicon cookies, silicon sheets from eljen[sp?]
 
• current plan: silicon cookies, silicon sheets from eljen[sp?]

Revision as of 21:04, 12 June 2010

Location, Time

Friday, June 11, 2010
2:00 pm EDT
JLab: CEBAF Center, Room F326/7
ESNet: 8542553
EVO: direct meeting link (good through 8/20)
Conference Group: 800-377-8846, participant code: 77438230
Slides: talks can be deposited in the directory /group/halld/www/halldweb1/html/talks/2010-06 on the JLab CUE (you have to be a member of the "halld" group). This directory is accessible from the web at https://halldweb1.jlab.org/talks/2010-06/ .

Agenda

  1. Announcements
  2. Minutes from the last meeting
  3. Time-of-Flight
    1. Prototype progress
    2. Status of the MOU
  4. Start Counter
    1. prototype progress
      • attenuation length measurements
  5. Target
    1. Status of the MOU
    2. Status of refrigerator plan
  6. Action Items

Minutes

FSU: Paul Eugenio, Sasha Ostrovidov Jlab: Tom Carstens, Eugene Chudakov, Mark Ito (chair), Chris Keith, Sascha Somov, Simon Taylor, Tim Whitlatch, Beni Zihlmann

Review of minutes from the last meeting

We went over the minutes].

PMT purchase for TOF prototypes

Paul sent the quote, Mark submitted the purchase requisition, and now the purchase order is all set to go out, we just need a shipping address at FSU to attach to the PO.

Refrigerator for the target

We started from the entry in the minutes about the lab-wide review of helium demand.

  • Chris commented that if we do get a pulse tube refrigerator for cryotargets, that it actually might be able to service a frozen spin target. We did note, again, that such a target is not part of any current plan for Hall D.
  • Tim is in the middle of a cryogenic requirements review for the Hall and a decision on purchase of the recommended refrigerator is pending on completion of his work.

Time-of-Flight

We spent a lot of time updating issues discussed at the last meeting.

Calibration

  • Bein told us the LED system planned for the calorimeters cannot easily change the intensity of the light output, as would be convenient for time-walk calibration.
  • We need to talk to Elton Smith or Dan Carman about experience with the CLAS TOF nitorgen laser calibration system.
  • Right now, Paul is working on a LED pulser system aimed at developing experience with the prototype counters.
  • Stability of pmts is an issue, but not as critical as for the calorimeters.
  • Paul informed us that the time-walk calibration was repeated on a time scale of order a year.
  • Eugene told of us of a laser system that was being used in Hall A that may be available.
  • Tom reminded us that the CLAS electromagnetic calorimeter also has a nitrogen laser calibration scheme. Kevin Giovanetti developed that system.

Change of Thickness of Counters

  • Paul is exploring where the effective edge of the photocathode are with the Hamamatsu tubes.
    • PMT spec. states that the minimum cathode diameter is 46 mm
    • Cutting an ERT disk to that diameter to obscure photocathode
    • Plans to look for residual signal

• light reflect out to see if any coming in outside that diameter • current plan: silicon cookies, silicon sheets from eljen[sp?] • initial glued pmt • tim has done lay-outs • rtv glue possibility, eugene

wrapping • large sample of esr df2000 ma • studies about to start • final light tighe overwrapping, still wait

changing the dac

• received ti board • will be running with led • use a real triggered system • to match adc's and tdc's • vme64 bridge, not using coda • working on program to control


changing trigger paddles to use longer counters to improve rate

MOU

• DOE grant has off campus overhead rate • discussion with chair on MOU. waiting to hear back on overhead rate, • argue that saving money to doe by paying a lower rate

two full length some beam hole length to be machined